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yeah this sucks. I wonder if you can get the Defy compounding pharmacies to ship to a different state, and use PO box or ups box.

My results says direct, so probably an RIA. Just assuming it doesn’t cross-react with free nandrolone as if it did it should have been way higher than the reference @ 7.2-24.0 pg/ml. I’ll recheck using mass spec the next time I do bloodwork

Yes I know total test isn’t accurate. But my free T is, and so are my estradiol and dht tests. I feel best with low estradiol also. This regime works for me, so I’m sticking with it.

I’ve been on nandrolone base for 1 1/2 years now. 28 mg per day along with 4 mg test.

SHBG is 13,3 nmol/liter. Main reason for dialing up or down the test cyp was to address dht levels and hair loss. Higher test made me lose more hair but strength gains seemed quicker. Had to use anti estrogen more often with higher test. I feel great emotionally. Energy levels seem good...

It’s all deca for nandrolone

I was experimenting with 4 up to 8 mg a day of testosterone and also fooled around with higher and lower doses of nandrolone. This protocol keeps the hair and I’m making strength gains in the gym.

cypionate is the ester. Labs are good. Total T is >1500 ng/dl, free T is 22.8 pg/ml, DHT is 34 ng/dl, and estradiol (sensitive) is 13.5 pg/ml

I’ve been on nandrolone base for 1 1/2 years now. 28 mg per day along with 4 mg test. No libido or mental issues..

Strength is up, I see growth in my chest, legs, biceps, triceps, but not like those guys you see in the gym taking 1000 mg of god knows what .

200 mg/week nandrolone and 50 mg testosterone/week, AI as needed, and HCG when I need it. That's it.

Yes, switch to nandrolone seemed to help shed some fat that was hard to shrink on just test alone. I cant tolerate the sides of high test so was using a way lower concentration of total steroid per week than I am currently on now. So that may be part of it.

Not sure of bf %. Visually lower visceral and subQ fat, but it’s plateaued now. Smart scale which I don’t think is accurate, says I’m currently 12% bf.

Yep!!!

Got labs back. I am taking 200 mg/week nandrolone and 50 mg testosterone/week for a month prior to blood work, inject shallow IM every day. Here are relevant results.. I feel good. LDL went down, hematocrit is fine, estrogen is perfect for me since I’m sensitive to it, DHT is nice and low...

Happens to me all the time- like when I have a doctors appointment or donate blood. Usually focusing on my breathing for 2-3 minutes helps

started nadrolone in november - currently on about 200 mg/week with 45 mg/wk test. I take AI when necessary - about 0.1 mg a week. I also do HCG @ 0.3 ml/week. No problems with erections, feeling good emotionally and physically. Losing stubborn visceral fat and have lower subcutaneous fat...

Nandrolone should be picked up on the standard total testosterone assay, but what about free T? Will nandrolone interfere with the free T assay also? And if so, what lab tests are available that only detect testosterone and not nandrolone. Thanks

I just ordered some from Optum. 118 USD. The woman I talked with on the phone was friendly. They ship tomorrow for Sat delivery. Comes with insulin syringes etc. seems like a good deal.

Thanks, yeah I have been on TRT with another provider for 7-8 years now. I have some back issues and bicep tendonitis and also suffer from a lot of androgenic side effects from testosterone (hair loss, back acne) I figured I would give Nandrolone a try If they will let me. A major reason I'd...

sorry for bumping this thread up. Just wanted to ask folks who are with Defy who are on Nandrolone, who is your Defy Consultant? I just signed up and got blood tests done recently, now I am waiting to speak with Dr. Saya, but not for 2 weeks because of his busy schedule. Anyone else using Dr...

my nipples would be itchy if my E2 was 50+

Where are folks getting primo from, or is it from the grey market?

yeah about 145 mg/week in my case. I will talk with the doc about it. Will also see if human equivalent dose based on your link is still what folks use to translate dose to humans. Very informative post thank you

5 mg/kg 2x a week translates to me (200 pounds) to about 900 mg per week. way beyond what I plan on taking. And these are rats. studies in rodents a lot of the time do not translate to humans but yeah human equivelant dose would be a lot lower based on the link you sent (seems outdated)...

isnt it just active metabolites that suppress HPTA. I do not think long half-life nandrolone metabolites are still active, or they will compound over time to produce way too much active metabolite in the body, effectively turning your TRT into a super duper steroid cycle. And I would like to...

Don't really notice anything with the amout of HCG I take, but it seems to keep my nads from getting too small. I will occasionally increase the dose to 300 units every three days, but do that rarely. And the nandrolone cycle was only nandrolone. I think I was using a modest does, but I cant...

great suggestion to titrate test up with base of 200 mg nandrolone and low dose HCG. I'll give it a try. thanks!

My anastrozole is 0.5 mg twice a week on Wednesday and Sunday. And my test dose is 0.32 every third day. So 10 doses a month (3.2 ml per month) is on average 0.8 ml every 7 days. My hcg is 0.1 ml every 3 days which is 100 units every 3 days. I’m about to add nandrolone for a trial period to...

wanted to start this thread going again - I have low SHBG too (13- 18 nM/L) but TRT has been very effective for me. No libido loss, morning erections, but I do take low dose ED cialis. my protocol works for me and is as follows - 0.32 ml testosterone cypionate with about 0.1 ml HCG subQ every...