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That's what I would assume.I know that my testicles are just as atrophied on cream as they are on injections. If that means much. Lol

I'm not sold on the "lesser degree of hpta suppression" on 2x a day application.

Yes. all to the scrotum.

Honestly once I started to feel really good all the inconveniences became a non-issue even applying right before sex and stuff have haven't affected my wife's levels and she gets tested regularly. all is good my brother

I'm sorry if I wasn't clear. I do 3 Clicks a.m and 2 clicks pm. I typically apply my cream at 430 am the 430 pm. On weekends it can be all over the place. Right now I'm on 12 hour work days. Been applying at 4am and 9 pm. I feel no different. I've also skipped pm dose and feel the same. I've...

I was doing very well on Empower's version of Atris base. Three clicks at 2 p.m. It was in the 800s at 20. And then they discontinued it. I went back to the HRT base, but the same dose was only getting me around 600. So I switched to 250 mg per mL and kept the same dose. Now I'm at 960 TT. I...

I'm still using the cream and am doing very well. Once I stopped blaming TRT for every little feeling and stopped messing with my dose, things have been good.

I always recommend trying the scrotal cream. I know so many guys who didn't do well on TRT until they made the switch.

Yeah so might be unrelated for me also.

I wonder if some guys are just affected more by the shut down of the upstream hormons. I know my pregnenolone levels are flat lined. But I do not do well on preg supps. So who knows

I personally think that Many overdose ssris. I had al sorts of issues on the common "starting doses" of ssri. I've had some some success with low dose lexapro. But I also think it should be a last resort

I'm one of the unlucky ones. My mental health actually has gotten worse on trt. I've tried everything under the son hormone wise. Nothing helps. Best thing I've done is taken low dose lexapro. 2.5-5mg a day takes the edge off for me

Welcome back brother lol

I personally had strange headaches with any type of injectable testosterone. Compounded scrotal cream has been a game changer for me. Been on it over a year consistently.

I feel good with my levels about 800-900 and free t around 200. But I also feel way better on cream. And my dht levels are sky high lol.

After countless years of trying restarts and staying “natural” it was all for nothing. I’ve went off trt cold turkey a few times. And didn’t feel any better using restart protocols . a lot of times you end up feeling worse using clomid and such. If your commuting to getting off trt just get off...

You are never gonna get @Cataceous to budge on his stance. I just hope guys take his post with a grain of salt. All of us on are on trt for a reason. Trying to mimic young “healthy” male levels doesn’t seem to work for a majority of us “broken” men. I wasted years of my life trying to be as...

Yeah I’ve been having them email me lab scripts since I started with them. They are just so damn convenient to use. Very organized. And all the staff is pleasant to deal with.

Figures. I also think calling it “hydrogel” threw alot of people off thinking it was gel. Defy also uses tailor made pharmacy. And they do offer higher % cream up to 400mg per ml. But I’ve heard they are less stable at higher concentrations. Might affect consistency per batch. I love cream so...

Thank you Nelson. I just made my own thread about this. I’m not liking how many clicks I need to put on just to get average t levels. I’m at 6 clicks a day (4am 2pm) and only getting 640tt 5 hours after morning application.

I also love defy. I don’t even mind the mark-up if it keeps them in business. ( I also get medical reimbursement through my union ) but wish we had a little more options with pharmacy’s.

I’ve tried to get defy to send my script to a different compounding pharmacy (one they aren’t affiliated with ) and they refuse to do it. Empower seems to be falling off hard for me personally. I know they aren’t allowed to mail in testosterone to my state to local pharmacy. But I don’t get why...

Best cream to use is 20%. 200mg per ml. So each click would be 50mg. Everyone is different. I would only reach 840tt 5 hours after applying 3 clicks of empowers hydrogel and only 640 of the hrt base. Others can hit 2000tt on same dose. Currently trying to get my hands on medquest atrevis base...

Has anyone got any info why we can no longer get the hydrogel base from empower. (Before anyone comments it is a cream). My numbers were much better on the hydrogel then hrt base personally.

The other fact is people on trt are too hyper aware of every little thing they never would have thought twice about. People that aren’t on trt get bloated and hold water too. Have days where they piss a ton and other where they barely piss. To much damn micro managing.

Oh that sucks. I was going recommend the compounded cream. Works wonders for me

I cannot believe people still believe in the cholesterol myths. I watched my father go from a strong ass hell ox of a man to a frail old man over night from all these big pharma treatments. Some is on him because he wanted the easy way out. Instead of some lifestyle changes. But it’s a shame...

That’s great man. Everyone thinks guys like us are crazy (they right to a degree) but I’m glad your finally finding success.

No problem that’s what we are all here for. I’ve been at this along time and while I wouldn’t be where I am without these forums at groups. The fear mongering on some topics have also hindered my progress. But also rightfully so. These drugs and hormones are very powerful. And honestly the best...

I agree. But thankfully I found a decent work around for now. I was hoping trt alone was the answer. But the low dose ssri works well with no noticeable side effects. But I do seem dependent on it now.

I have low shbg and have been doing very well on the compounded cream. Injections weren’t the ticket for me. I was always blaming shbg and thinking I couldn’t handle higher levels. Until I switched to cream. Now my only issue is I’m kind of a hypo responder to empowers hrt base and they...