Solvent-free propionate: finally a successful protocol for me!

Pnw0031 · Friday at 11:50 PM

Also I think from now on I’m going to record my symptoms and reactions to things far better. In retrospect, I over stated and over reacted to some of the symptoms on the protocol in my previous posts. The itching was bad though. I need to get better at getting frequent labs too, first and foremost. I will get my hematocrit checked this coming week

FunkOdyssey · Saturday at 5:49 AM

Pnw0031 said:
I’m also curious if prop increases my hct more than other esters

My HCT is lower on prop than on equivalent dose of enanthate (equal mg of testosterone). I think this may be a proxy for reduced anabolic effects I've also observed from prop vs enanthate.

I felt great initially on the pharmacom prop and then not so good later on. It appeared to be significantly overdosed based on my blood work (like 200% of the labelled concentration), when compared to another test prop that returned expected levels. I would guess that my feeling not great related to the insane levels more than the formulation.

mrblonde01 · Saturday at 8:00 AM

I'm also on prop and have more trouble sleeping than I had when I was on enanthate. I do inject in the morning though, and noticed you inject in the evening. Does this generally help with insomnia?

Pnw0031 · Saturday at 8:13 AM

mrblonde01 said:
I'm also on prop and have more trouble sleeping than I had when I was on enanthate. I do inject in the morning though, and noticed you inject in the evening. Does this generally help with insomnia?

It honestly depends on the formulation. I can get away with prop at night in gso over prop in mct. But there’s a significant difference for me in BB free prop vs regular. If something has BB I won’t sleep well- even cyp destroys my sleep quality though I feel cyp is an inferior ester for many reasons

Forty2 · Sunday at 4:15 AM

FunkOdyssey said:
18-20 mg in the morning.

What time of the day are you applying DHT gel and are you also using hCG?

Gman86 · Sunday at 8:39 AM

FunkOdyssey said:
I've been using prop in MCT oil for some time now and I don't notice any issues I could relate to a shorter half-life.

Does urs contain ethyl oleate?

Willyt · Sunday at 8:43 AM

Pnw0031 said:
Outside of trt, its probably wise for me to return to a low histamine diet in general. I’ve since restarted making yogurt with the specific strain Bifidobacteria logum BB536 which has both studies and anecdotal evidence of reducing histamine, inflammation and is a cornerstone bacteria a lot of people are missing. I can share a recipe in this thread or a separate one for anyone curious. You really need to eat fermented foods to get the benefits of certain strains over just taking a probiotic pill. Doing a ton of cardio also seems to reduce histamine symptoms for me and is obviously healthy regardless. I’ve been slacking a bit on cardio, I get 10k steps in a day but I need to return to rucking, biking, swimming and pick up hockey.

Good luck on the move. Yes, please post separate thread on low histamine diet. I'm sure there are a few of us here who would be interested.

FunkOdyssey · Sunday at 11:27 AM

Forty2 said:
What time of the day are you applying DHT gel and are you also using hCG?

I only use dht gel on an as needed basis and no hCG. Can't tolerate extra estrogen beyond TRT alone.

Gman86 said:
Does urs contain ethyl oleate?

No ethyl oleate.

Willyt · Sunday at 12:35 PM

FunkOdyssey said:
No ethyl oleate.

Sorry if I missed it Funk, but does your prop contain benzyl benzoate? If so, do you know the amount?

FunkOdyssey · Sunday at 5:47 PM

Willyt said:
Sorry if I missed it Funk, but does your prop contain benzyl benzoate? If so, do you know the amount?

It does contain BB, and I don't know the amount. I think I've become less sensitive to it or something, because it doesn't seem to bother me anymore.

Pnw0031 · Sunday at 11:37 PM

Willyt said:
Good luck on the move. Yes, please post separate thread on low histamine diet. I'm sure there are a few of us here who would be interested.

Will do!

Gman86 · Monday at 7:47 AM

FunkOdyssey said:
I only use dht gel on an as needed basis and no hCG. Can't tolerate extra estrogen beyond TRT alone.

No ethyl oleate.

So no ethyl oleate or benzyl benzoate?

I asked my source what he uses in his, and he said no ethyl oleate, but does use 20% benzyl benzoate in all his injectables. Here’s what he said

“Hello, our test prop does have the standard 20% Benzyl Benzoate. It does not contain ethyl oleate. Benzyl benzoate is in all of our injectables and also used in pharmaceutical grade oils. You need the Benzyl benzoate to serve as a solvent to keep the powders suspended in the oil without crashing. If you were somehow able to brew test prop by heating the oil to extremely high temperatures to get the testosterone powder to suspend, it would likely cause extreme severe pip as it all would almost instantly crash within the muscle”

Does the prop ur using cause PIP, and what do u think about what he’s saying about it crashing within the muscle? Would that mean it’s not effective once injected? Or it means that it would crash/ crystallize and cause severe pain?

What concentration is ur prop again?

Gman86 · Monday at 7:51 AM

@FunkOdyssey oh I see in ur reply above that ur prop does contain BB. Maybe just a lower amount than most other test props

Gman86 · Monday at 12:35 PM

I asked my source if it was possible to brew test prop with as little as 1% BB, and this is what he said

“I could be wrong but I personally do not believe that. Unless the BB was substituted with something else. From somebody that has seen the brewing process first hand I cant imagine trying to get testosterone Propionate powder to go into an oil without some sort of solvent. That is what the Benzyl Benzoate is for. To dissolve your raw powders so that they hold in the oil. Without some sort of solvent you are relying on extreme heat to get a powder dissolved fully into the oil. I do not think it would hold and if it did I do not think it would be something you would want to inject into your body. Im not sure why one would want to avoid Benzyl Benzoate as I do not believe it to be toxic at all in the amounts we are using at 20% in oils. Maybe if you were injecting 50+ ml per week that would start to be a concern but for somebody only injecting a couple ml per week I just don't see the problem with the BB. They use is in brick and mortar regulated pharmaceutical testosterone as well. If you were trying to get any powder into suspension without BB I would say Test E would be your best bet. Testosterone Propionate is more course and gritty powder. Just my two cents on the matter”

Pnw0031 · Tuesday at 1:12 AM

Gman86 said:
I asked my source if it was possible to brew test prop with as little as 1% BB, and this is what he said

“I could be wrong but I personally do not believe that. Unless the BB was substituted with something else. From somebody that has seen the brewing process first hand I cant imagine trying to get testosterone Propionate powder to go into an oil without some sort of solvent. That is what the Benzyl Benzoate is for. To dissolve your raw powders so that they hold in the oil. Without some sort of solvent you are relying on extreme heat to get a powder dissolved fully into the oil. I do not think it would hold and if it did I do not think it would be something you would want to inject into your body. Im not sure why one would want to avoid Benzyl Benzoate as I do not believe it to be toxic at all in the amounts we are using at 20% in oils. Maybe if you were injecting 50+ ml per week that would start to be a concern but for somebody only injecting a couple ml per week I just don't see the problem with the BB. They use is in brick and mortar regulated pharmaceutical testosterone as well. If you were trying to get any powder into suspension without BB I would say Test E would be your best bet. Testosterone Propionate is more course and gritty powder. Just my two cents on the matter”

Even at a very low concentration?

Forty2 · Tuesday at 4:15 AM

FunkOdyssey said:
18-20 mg in the morning.

Is there any particular reason you dose prop in the morning rather than the evening?

FunkOdyssey · Tuesday at 5:49 AM

Forty2 said:
Is there any particular reason you dose prop in the morning rather than the evening?

Would rather have my lowest levels while sleeping rather than during the afternoon and evening while I'm awake. Better for sleep and energy IMO.

If you're doing scrotal cream once daily, you aren't doing it at bedtime either. Similar reasoning and effects, similar pharmacokinetics

Pnw0031 · Tuesday at 8:43 AM

FunkOdyssey said:
Would rather have my lowest levels while sleeping rather than during the afternoon and evening while I'm awake. Better for sleep and energy IMO.

If you're doing scrotal cream once daily, you aren't doing it at bedtime either. Similar reasoning and effects, similar pharmacokinetics

I found on solvent free prop my peak was more like 12 hours later which is why I liked to inject before bed

Forty2 · Tuesday at 10:56 AM

Pnw0031 said:
I found on solvent free prop my peak was more like 12 hours later which is why I liked to inject before bed

Why would lack of solvents change the pharmackinetics?
How do you know your peak was 12 hours after you inject if you have not had blood work done 4 hours or so after you inject?

Forty2 · Tuesday at 10:59 AM

FunkOdyssey said:
Would rather have my lowest levels while sleeping rather than during the afternoon and evening while I'm awake. Better for sleep and energy IMO.

If you're doing scrotal cream once daily, you aren't doing it at bedtime either. Similar reasoning and effects, similar pharmacokinetics

What time in the day do you feel your best and worst?

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