Best Sleep Supplements

Honestly, I restarted taking low dose progesterone cream and it seems to calm the overstimulation from test prop and it slightly lowers estrogen. Helps at night for me and test is known to lower neurosteroids. I don’t tolerate preg well but dhea and prog work for me. Worth a shot if you’re struggling with sleep

BadassBlues said:

Interesting read, he has some good insights. I used to buy GHB at the health food store. I REALLY miss it being available.

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Me too - i made my own for probably around 20 years, but of course it, and it's main ingredient, got banned (then, (unsuprisingly), brought out as a prescription only medicine called Xyrem). Depending where you are in the world though, you possibly can still get hold of a GHB pro-drug called 1,4 bdo. I can occasionally get hold of that, and it works pretty much as well as regular ghb.

seppuku said:

Me too - i made my own for probably around 20 years, but of course it, and it's main ingredient, got banned (then, (unsuprisingly), brought out as a prescription only medicine called Xyrem). Depending where you are in the world though, you possibly can still get hold of a GHB pro-drug called 1,4 bdo. I can occasionally get hold of that, and it works pretty much as well as regular ghb.

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I have not tried the BDO as yet. I see it here and there

over60andusingtrt said:

Please share which sleep supplements work best for you.

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Yoo,

This is probably the hardest quest I had in my life , to have a good night's rest.

I tried everything under the sun , searched for years on end until a few months ago nothing really helped.

What I tried was :

Supplements :

-L-tryptofan ( for melatonin production , did not help )
-Melatonin ( experimenting with a range of doses from 0.25mcg up to 5mg ) helped to fall asleep but woke me up 2 hrs later woke af ,couldn't fall asleep afther
-Magnesium l-threonate ( passes blood brain barrier , helped you relax ) did not feel much but it's still good for other things

Biohack/lifestyle protocol

4-7-8 breathwork pre sleep to calm nervous system ( 4 in ,7 hold 8 out trough mouth making a shhooos sound like blowing wind ) this helps to relax you really good but did not help me to sleep

Wearing blue light blocking glasses 2 hr before sleep ( still do this )

Sleeping on a grounding mat ( still do this for reducing inflammation in the body I feel like it helps )

I even tried PEMF therapy with a device that is called ' earthpulse sleep. Pemf stands for pulsed electro magnetic frequencies. It can play a range of frequencies to entrain your brain into them. Like the theta ( wake ,energized), alpha ( awake but relaxed , heals mitochondria) delta ( deep sleep , dreaming ) states. So This device is not helping me sleep but I still use it not to sleep but for the benefit of healing and repairing my body , mitochondria.


Okay now the final awnser that solved my problem.
I live in belgium and here we have a facility where you can check your genes and all the other health markers , it's kind of expensive but I saved money for it anf I am glad I did.
What I have found that could mess with my sleep where a few things

You have a gene that makes you a 'warrior' or a 'worrier' well , I am the worrier type so it was good that I allready did a bunch of stuff that relaxes me.

Most importantly I have a gene mutation. ( its kind of a hot topic right now) that is called MHTFR or the mother*ucker gene.

It's a gene that disturbs the methylation proces in your body and thus can wreck havoc on your system if you do not optimize it.

I did not know that before and I was taking a lot of supplements that my body could not proces well due to the mutation I have had and I fixed it with taking

3 grams of TMG a day , also taking MSM ( sulfur ) 6 grams a day and guess what it's crazy but since I started that my sleep has greatly improved !

Before It was hard to fall asleep and even harder to stay asleep and now I fall asleep within 1 hr or so and sleep 5-6 hours straigh and afther waking up I can still sleep afterwards.

I feel your struggle if you can't sleep well , I hope you find a solution.

Greetings and have a blessed day.

Something I recently restarted is CJC1295 (w/DAC) which is a growth hormone secretagouge, and it has massively helped my sleep. I take it once every two weeks at around 300-500mcg. It reminded me that growth hormone is well known to cause drowsiness but to help sleep overall, so it could be worth a try as a sleep aid.

Guided_by_Voices said:

Something I recently restarted is CJC1295 (w/DAC) which is a growth hormone secretagouge, and it has massively helped my sleep. I take it once every two weeks at around 300-500mcg. It reminded me that growth hormone is well known to cause drowsiness but to help sleep overall, so it could be worth a try as a sleep aid.

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So does it help ur sleep every night, even tho u only inject it once every 14 days?

So far I can say that it helps for at least 6 days, primarily by helping me fall asleep much faster and to stay asleep better. I'm not injecting more frequently due to the potential for pituitary issues from the long-acting secretagouges, but there are Doctors (e.g. Dr. Yurth I believe) who are ok with using it more frequently, so if someone had severe sleep issues they might be able to use it more often or go with HGH itself or use it with no DAC. I'm not aware of good data on how often the long-acting compounds can safely be used so I'm erring on the side of safety ( I think). I started using it for joint issues and the sleep was a benefit I'd forgotten about.

Update - I have since added Ashwagandha 380MG taken in the afternoon, prior to dinner, and my sleep has improved exponentially. I'm surprised that such a simple solution seems to do the trick. But after going full circle with almost every sleep aid and supplement known to man, this is what works for me.

Hi!

For those using Melatonin as an antioxidant 5mg ++ (I am now at 8mg). Have anyone read any of Chris Masterjohns work on this? I just want to be safe regarding dosages and taking it ED or just sometimes. @Vince Thanks for reply

Chrander said:

Hi!

For those using Melatonin as an antioxidant 5mg ++ (I am now at 8mg). Have anyone read any of Chris Masterjohns work on this? I just want to be safe regarding dosages and taking it ED or just sometimes. @Vince Thanks for reply

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I'm presently supplementing with 60 mg of melatonin daily at night.

Vince said:

I'm presently supplementing with 60 mg of melatonin daily at night.

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Is that a typo? I think you added an extra digit.

over60andusingtrt said:

Is that a typo? I think you added an extra digit.

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Yeah... I winced at that too.

over60andusingtrt said:

Is that a typo? I think you added an extra digit.

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Unfortunately not. As a voice for moderation at EM I discourage others from following his lead. This dose is roughly 1,000 times natural production, though admittedly oral bioavailability is variable.

Cataceous said:

Unfortunately not. As a voice for moderation at EM I discourage others from following his lead. This dose is roughly 1,000 times natural production.

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I have known people who have taken 10mg, which I thought was too high. 60mg is way outside the limits. Vince is a good guy, I'm worried about that dosage though.

over60andusingtrt said:

Is that a typo? I think you added an extra digit.

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No I take take 60 mg of melatonin. This is why. Plus to upset @Cataceous

Vince said:

No I take take 60 mg of melatonin. This is why. Plus to upset @Cataceous

Melatonin: functional significance for optimal cellular physiology - Prof. Russel Reiter (14/11/19)

My notes. Dr. Russell J. Reiter said he’s taken melatonin for 27 years to protect his mitochondria. He thinks that this protection, and other effects of melatonin, are far superior to what it does for sleep. One of the most important things that it does is to detoxify Reactive Oxygen Species...

www.excelmale.com

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That is wild! I had no idea. I ordered 60mg on Amazon and will try for a few nights. I reckon I've got nothing to lose.

over60andusingtrt said:

.... I ordered 60mg on Amazon and will try for a few nights. I reckon I've got nothing to lose.

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I wouldn't go that far. There's not much evidence of immediate acute toxicity. But do it for enough years and who knows what will happen. Recall that excessive doses of some antioxidants appear to cause harm over time. I tend to argue that optimal health requires balance. Taking 60 mg a night is extremely unbalanced versus normal physiology.

Cataceous said:

I wouldn't go that far. There's not much evidence of immediate acute toxicity. But do it for enough years and who knows what will happen. Recall that excessive doses of some antioxidants appear to cause harm over time. I tend to argue that optimal health requires balance. Taking 60 mg a night is extremely unbalanced versus normal physiology.

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Have you ever read the threat?

Vince said:

Have you ever read the threat?

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The thread? Yes, as it was being formed. Linus Pauling all over again. Somebody decides to focus on one nutrient or hormone as "the answer". Because a little is good, a boatload must be better, right?