Who does not need to use an ED med?

[Joseywales95]

How low have you gone with frequency of injection? How are your E2 levels on TRT versus off? Ever try an AI?

I done everything from daily, EOD, twice a week. I seem to be a low aromatizer and have high SHGB. Yes, I've tried AI and to be honest did not feel any difference.. Interesting enough never had any bloating, high blood pressure or increased heart rate even on 200mg of test with 1500 hcg.

Below was my last bloodwork on 120mg of Test c Pinned M,W,F. Would appreciate any advice.

Test - 1067
Test Free - 30
Test % - 2.81
E2 SENSTIVE - 29.2
prolactin - 10.2
SHBG - 51.4

 

[FunkOdyssey]

I done everything from daily, EOD, twice a week. I seem to be a low aromatizer and have high SHGB. Yes, I've tried AI and to be honest did not feel any difference.. Interesting enough never had any bloating, high blood pressure or increased heart rate even on 200mg of test with 1500 hcg.

Below was my last bloodwork on 120mg of Test c Pinned M,W,F. Would appreciate any advice.

Test - 1067
Test Free - 30
Test % - 2.81
E2 SENSTIVE - 29.2
prolactin - 10.2
SHBG - 51.4

You haven't tried once a week yet? That would be my next experiment. Increased frequency negatively impacts libido and sexual function in many guys when using longer esters.

 

[Jerajera]

I done everything from daily, EOD, twice a week. I seem to be a low aromatizer and have high SHGB. Yes, I've tried AI and to be honest did not feel any difference.. Interesting enough never had any bloating, high blood pressure or increased heart rate even on 200mg of test with 1500 hcg.

Below was my last bloodwork on 120mg of Test c Pinned M,W,F. Would appreciate any advice.

Test - 1067
Test Free - 30
Test % - 2.81
E2 SENSTIVE - 29.2
prolactin - 10.2
SHBG - 51.4

I would try shorter esters. Try Prop would be my advice, especially if you're a low aromatizer and don't get E2 side effects even on higher dosages.

Every time I get on Prop my libido and erections go through the roof. I started again 4 days ago and already my libido is interfering with my work/life/relationship and erection quality is ridiculous.

Of course it's early but I've run Prop for months at a time before with no decrease in those benefits.

 

[Joseywales95]

I would try shorter esters. Try Prop would be my advice, especially if you're a low aromatizer and don't get E2 side effects even on higher dosages.

Every time I get on Prop my libido and erections go through the roof. I started again 4 days ago and already my libido is interfering with my work/life/relationship and erection quality is ridiculous.

Of course it's early but I've run Prop for months at a time before with no decrease in those benefits.

I've actually tried prop in an attempt to find a correct dosage. From 175mg a week to as low as 77mg per week. Pinned daily. I think I got increased libido but still suffered from weak erections even with Cialis / Viagra

 

[FunkOdyssey]

I've actually tried prop in an attempt to find a correct dosage. From 175mg a week to as low as 77mg per week. Pinned daily. I think I got increased libido but still suffered from weak erections even with Cialis / Viagra

Have you ever tried scrotal cream or a DHT analogue? More DHT might be helpful.

 

[Joseywales95]

Have you ever tried scrotal cream or a DHT analogue? More DHT might be helpful.

I have tried scrotal cream with no avail. Hesitant to try anavar or primo due to ideally from a health perspective.

 

[FunkOdyssey]

I have tried scrotal cream with no avail. Hesitant to try anavar or primo due to ideally from a health perspective.

You really have tried quite a bit. I still say try once a week. And in the meantime, look into Bi-mix or Tri-mix. Guaranteed erections with no side effects, far more effective than PDE5 inhibitors.

 

[Joseywales95]

You really have tried quite a bit. I still say try once a week. And in the meantime, look into Bi-mix or Tri-mix. Guaranteed erections with no side effects, far more effective than PDE5 inhibitors.

Yeah it's been a bit frustrating seeing everyones fantastic results on trt while I do everything right from a life style perspective and still have issues. Such is life. I will attempt another 2-4 months of experiments and if all else fails PCT off and see how I feel.

 

[Seagal]

Sorry, I don't have T lab values.
On purpose no hcg so far, because I'm still in the early phase of using TU. My weekly dose might change (most likely downwards) and I might reintroduce hcg.
On androgel my ejaculation volume dropped towards zero; hcg 2x500IU per week restored it to about 50-75%. It seems that the TU so far had no negative (rather positive) impact on this.

In case it is still of interest. I have now lab values, however, it's a salvia test (free hormones) instead of a blood test. No AI, no HCG, no DHEA, no Pregnenolone. Once weekly 250mg SC glute region.

 

[RotnGun]

I would try shorter esters. Try Prop would be my advice, especially if you're a low aromatizer and don't get E2 side effects even on higher dosages.

Every time I get on Prop my libido and erections go through the roof. I started again 4 days ago and already my libido is interfering with my work/life/relationship and erection quality is ridiculous.

Of course it's early but I've run Prop for months at a time before with no decrease in those benefits.

Did you ever use HCG with your test prop? If so, did you find it improved libido even further?

 

[t_spacemonkey]

Does anyone here not need to take cialis or another ed med while on TRT?
The main reason I quit TRT is because I had far more episodes of ED than I had before I started and I could not tolerate the side effects of any ed med.

I don't need them. what i noticed, and i think many guys too, that not only you get better erections with it, it has added benefits, better gym pumps etc.

 

[Jerajera]

Did you ever use HCG with your test prop? If so, did you find it improved libido even further?

When I was doing 15mg/day of Test P, I tried taking Pregnyl at 100iu/day two days in a row. On the second day I had the first legit panic attack of my life; felt I was having a stroke and was going to die.

Turns out the extra spike of E2 from the hCG on top of the already high E2 I get from Test P was too much. I always get anxiety from high E2 but never had an actual panic attack until that point.

I've tried hCG on Test C and it dramatically improved libido initially until E2 got too high, then my dick got softer and libido crashed, I got extremely moody, aggressive, and bloated with massive anxiety (not quite to the point of panic attack, but close).

If you don't aromatize much or aren't very sensitive to E2, hCG might work great with Test P. For me libido on Prop is so high already I wouldn't want it higher anyway. I'm about to try Test Prop or Phenylprop with Primo as a baseline to control E2 and I'm honestly a little worried about libido going too high.

 

[Jerajera]

I don't need them. what i noticed, and i think many guys too, that not only you get better erections with it, it has added benefits, better gym pumps etc.

Add me to the "other benefits" believers. On Test P, thyroid numbers significantly better, adrenal function significantly better, and gym drive/aggression and performance way better (including cardio).

People saying "Test is Test" have no idea.

 

[t_spacemonkey]

Add me to the "other benefits" believers. On Test P, thyroid numbers significantly better, adrenal function significantly better, and gym drive/aggression and performance way better (including cardio).

People saying "Test is Test" have no idea.

interesting...never heard about Thyroid or adrenals. i've been taking it sporadically, maybe it is time to take 5mg daily. also on Tprop.

 

[Guided_by_Voices]

When I was doing 15mg/day of Test P, I tried taking Pregnyl at 100iu/day two days in a row. On the second day I had the first legit panic attack of my life; felt I was having a stroke and was going to die.

Turns out the extra spike of E2 from the hCG on top of the already high E2 I get from Test P was too much. I always get anxiety from high E2 but never had an actual panic attack until that point.

I've tried hCG on Test C and it dramatically improved libido initially until E2 got too high, then my dick got softer and libido crashed, I got extremely moody, aggressive, and bloated with massive anxiety (not quite to the point of panic attack, but close).

If you don't aromatize much or aren't very sensitive to E2, hCG might work great with Test P. For me libido on Prop is so high already I wouldn't want it higher anyway. I'm about to try Test Prop or Phenylprop with Primo as a baseline to control E2 and I'm honestly a little worried about libido going too high.

Note that Primo reduces libido in some people. This may be due to the anti-estrogen affects, so hopefully it will still leave you in a good spot.

 

[FunkOdyssey]

interesting...never heard about Thyroid or adrenals. i've been taking it sporadically, maybe it is time to take 5mg daily. also on Tprop.

I think you guys got confused: Jerajera was talking about benefits of testosterone propionate, not tadalafil.

 

[Jerajera]

I think you guys got confused: Jerajera was talking about benefits of testosterone propionate, not tadalafil.

Yup, just the Test P. Never took dick pills although i've considered cialis/tadalafil for the E2 lowering effects and positive effects on blood flow, blood pressure, etc...but I do worry about long term dependance on it for erection quality whether from a physiological or psychological standpoint.

 

[Forty2]

When I was doing 15mg/day of Test P, I tried taking Pregnyl at 100iu/day two days in a row. On the second day I had the first legit panic attack of my life; felt I was having a stroke and was going to die.

Turns out the extra spike of E2 from the hCG on top of the already high E2 I get from Test P was too much. I always get anxiety from high E2 but never had an actual panic attack until that point.

I've tried hCG on Test C and it dramatically improved libido initially until E2 got too high, then my dick got softer and libido crashed, I got extremely moody, aggressive, and bloated with massive anxiety (not quite to the point of panic attack, but close).

If you don't aromatize much or aren't very sensitive to E2, hCG might work great with Test P. For me libido on Prop is so high already I wouldn't want it higher anyway. I'm about to try Test Prop or Phenylprop with Primo as a baseline to control E2 and I'm honestly a little worried about libido going too high.

What do you think about running test prop alone ( or perhaps test prop/primo, in your case) for several weeks, then hCG on its own for a few weeks?
Would T levels be too low on hCG alone, following suppression from the test prop?

 

[RotnGun]

When I was doing 15mg/day of Test P, I tried taking Pregnyl at 100iu/day two days in a row. On the second day I had the first legit panic attack of my life; felt I was having a stroke and was going to die.

Turns out the extra spike of E2 from the hCG on top of the already high E2 I get from Test P was too much. I always get anxiety from high E2 but never had an actual panic attack until that point.

I've tried hCG on Test C and it dramatically improved libido initially until E2 got too high, then my dick got softer and libido crashed, I got extremely moody, aggressive, and bloated with massive anxiety (not quite to the point of panic attack, but close).

If you don't aromatize much or aren't very sensitive to E2, hCG might work great with Test P. For me libido on Prop is so high already I wouldn't want it higher anyway. I'm about to try Test Prop or Phenylprop with Primo as a baseline to control E2 and I'm honestly a little worried about libido going too high.

So I take it that while your on TRT, you do not experience testicular shrinkage or testicular achiness?

 

[Gman86]

What do you think about running test prop alone ( or perhaps test prop/primo, in your case) for several weeks, then hCG on its own for a few weeks?
Would T levels be too low on hCG alone, following suppression from the test prop?

Hcg mono is tricky. Was on it for a couple years. Lots of variables to consider, which make it not ideal, imo, to use as a monotherapy, no matter how long the person plans on being on it

First thing is everyone is going to respond very differently to the same dose of HCG, as far as test production goes. All depends on how well it personal leydig cells in ur testicles respond to the LH signal from the HCG.

Then u have to factor in the quality of the hcg

Then u have to factor in how many days from the reconstitution date ur using it. HCG degrades as time goes on, post reconstitution. So ur not going to get the same response from it after say 20 days, as u did when u first reconstituted it. And then even less of an effect after 30-40 days post reconstitution

Then for some guys the amount of estrogen they get from a certain dose, is just too high, compared to the testosterone boost they’re getting from it. I had a ton of issues with itchy/ sensitive nipples, while on hcg mono, and started to form gyno. I would scratch my nipples until the point they would bleed. I’ve never had this issue on testosterone, even when running much higher test levels than I was getting on hcg mono.

Hcg mono is just not an ideal option for low test, imo. But just my opinion. Oh, and storage of hcg is a little bit of a pain, like if ur traveling or going away for a couple days or what not. Just a bit more inconvenient to have to worry about keeping it refrigerated, compared to a bottle of test