What happens if I blast testosterone?

[midlifealpha]

Except now I need to go figure out what blasting is. I have a bunch of extra as well.... Tempting...

 

[Nelson Vergel]

To be honest, I hate the term blasting.

Cycling higher doses of T is what blasting is.

But I guess we really do not have a one word that can describe it LOL !

 

[Vettester Chris]

LOL, it makes you wonder "who" was that first guy that increased his TRT dosage, and decided to call it a "blast"?? Safe to say Nelson wasn't the creator of this term!

 

[Henry]

Henry, thanks for posting your details. You have a pretty good routine going in the gym, good to see!!

I have a cyst on a kidney, and at one time had similar BP results. At one time, I was on meds to control it as well. Got to say, that was also back in the day when I drank 5x per week .. It was hard saying no to those free drinks in first, but it was taking a toll on me big time. Gave up drinking all together over 7 years ago, TRT for 6 years now, no BP Meds since then either, and able to keep things in the 120/75 range (for the most part). I have to admit, Cialis and some of the items from Gene's NO Stack list (like Arginine) help. Not sure how or why your situation came about, but hoping it's something that can possibly get turned around for you?

Thanks for the critique on the workout. I guess I can keep an eye on the blood pressure and also cut my salt intake and drink more water. When I had blood pressure issues, I did have an extremely poor diet and I cleaned it up and went to Androgel so I'm not sure what brought it down. I just know that it went down once I switched and cleaned up my lifestyle.

 

[Henry]

May be Henry has physical issues that do not let him exercise.

Yes, Bhasin showed that 600 mg per week increased lean body mass in men who did not exercise, but look at the response with exercise:

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Full paper: http://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJM199607043350101

Wow, it looks like it double with just working out during that time period. That is amazing.

 

[TestAdvocate]

To be honest, I hate the term blasting.

Cycling higher doses of T is what blasting is.

But I guess we really do not have a one word that can describe it LOL !

"Blasting and Cruising"! Reminds me of being on a Pacific Coast Highway or something! lol

 

[TestAdvocate]

Henry, the problem with taking that mindset, you very well could end up packing on fat and a lot of water. Even with Anavar, which can promote LBM to no end, it will essentially be useless without putting in the hours in both diet and exercise.

Like mentioned above, I also have no problem with the "blast" scenario either. In fact, if it's structured correctly, it can be more effective stacked with a mild compound like Nandrolone (but that's a whole different story) .. I read that article on your link, and I'm telling you it's just going to be a water retention mess, and nothing will be accomplished taking that mindset. There is no "easy way"!

I agree with your decision to probably just disregard doing it all together ...

For me, I would be more curious of adding Nandrolone instead of increasing Test. Better synergy and less androgenic sides.......especially if you are already dialed in with your TRT. It seems like it takes quite a bit of tweeking to get your Test where you want it to be, why not leave your Test right where it is "dialed in" and then just add the 150mg - to 200mg of Nandrolone.......in that synergy 1 + 1 would equal three. Correct? Prolactin and Deca**** issues will most likely not be an issue if you are using Nandrolone alongside your normal TRT dose of Test.

 

[Henry]

My doc does prescribe it but I've read so many horror stories about it that I'm scared.

Now I have a friend who goes to the same doctor and he uses Deca, 200MG's a week alongside 200MG's a week of test and he's been doing that for close to 2 years now with no problem whatsoever. I'm wondering if he's just lucky

 

[TestAdvocate]

My doc does prescribe it but I've read so many horror stories about it that I'm scared.

Now I have a friend who goes to the same doctor and he uses Deca, 200MG's a week alongside 200MG's a week of test and he's been doing that for close to 2 years now with no problem whatsoever. I'm wondering if he's just lucky

Yeah your friend is not just lucky. Nelson outlined this protocol a long time ago in his book "Built to Survive". You should order a copy. Built to Survive was written from Nelson's very own experiences with all this stuff. This helped doctors understand how to use Testosterone and other AAS in therapeutic doses to stop muscle wasting and help and build back lost muscle mass. It's a proven methodology!

 

[Henry]

Thanks. I'll get that book. My doc actually recommended "Testosterone: A Man's Guide" and that's what brought me here.

 

[Vettester Chris]

For me, I would be more curious of adding Nandrolone instead of increasing Test. Better synergy and less androgenic sides.......especially if you are already dialed in with your TRT. It seems like it takes quite a bit of tweeking to get your Test where you want it to be, why not leave your Test right where it is "dialed in" and then just add the 150mg - to 200mg of Nandrolone.......in that synergy 1 + 1 would equal three. Correct? Prolactin and Deca di<k issues will most likely not be an issue if you are using Nandrolone alongside your normal TRT dose of Test.

TA, you hit it on all talking points. Being a Nor 19 family compound, it's a whole different bird than Test, and it does offer a different dynamic, which gives it that 1+1 = 3 attribute!! Depending on the dosage, there's always a chance for some of the "sides" (talking more about the deca dik stuff), regardless of the concurrent TRT dosage.

Once upon a time when my first TRT physician prescribed this, I found the big issue to be "finishing the job". 30+ minutes, but the trigger can't pull if you get my drift?!?! Some guys just flat-out get the ED stuff, I've never seen that. You tapped on the Prolactin, which can be problematic with Nor 19's. A dopamine agonist like Cabergoline is the ticket for keeping things in check.

 

[TestAdvocate]

TA, you hit it on all talking points. Being a Nor 19 family compound, it's a whole different bird than Test, and it does offer a different dynamic, which gives it that 1+1 = 3 attribute!! Depending on the dosage, there's always a chance for some of the "sides" (talking more about the deca dik stuff), regardless of the concurrent TRT dosage.

Once upon a time when my first TRT physician prescribed this, I found the big issue to be "finishing the job". 30+ minutes, but the trigger can't pull if you get my drift?!?! Some guys just flat-out get the ED stuff, I've never seen that. You tapped on the Prolactin, which can be problematic with Nor 19's. A dopamine agonist like Cabergoline is the ticket for keeping things in check.

Thanks Chris.........I definitely I think I would like try this, maybe start in January after my upcoming physical. I've been reading where guys love this combo at these therapeutic doses. Were the guys who had the ED issues using the low dose 200mg / week? I hope I can get by without the Caber, I guess like we all know by now, everyone is different just be prepared with the Caber in case you have issues. Take care and have a Great Holiday next week!

 

[Vitamin_C]

You're about my height, about my weight, and lower bodyfat % as me and you say you're not a muscular guy? That data isn't adding up, almost 200 lbs at 5'11 should have significant muscle mass. I am 5'11'' and about 196 and about 18% BF and I have pretty decent size on me.

 

[Henry]

You're about my height, about my weight, and lower bodyfat % as me and you say you're not a muscular guy? That data isn't adding up, almost 200 lbs at 5'11 should have significant muscle mass. I am 5'11'' and about 196 and about 18% BF and I have pretty decent size on me.

Hi,
Here's a pic I took this morning. I weighed myself and the scale said 199.3 lbs and 17.9% body fat.



I don't think I have a lot of muscle. I'd like to have more though

 

[Henry]

I'm using one of those bodyfat analyzers you hold in your hand and it tells you your body fat percentage. It might not be that accurate.

 

[Vitamin_C]

you're not exactly "not muscular" though, your wordage made it seem like you were some dude that had no muscle at all lol.

 

[Henry]

you're not exactly "not muscular" though, your wordage made it seem like you were some dude that had no muscle at all lol.

I guess I need to just diet down instead of increasing dosage.

 

[Vision]

Looking good Henry!!

 

[Don Schultz]

Henry

I know this site promotes safe and educated TRT use but I do not moralize intelligent use of higher doses in a 8-12 week "blast" as you guys call it. You say you will remain on TRT after you stop this cycle, so that takes care of the HPTA shutdown concern.

Anyone can use higher T doses for building muscle and strength. Just make sure that you monitor your hematocrit, blood pressure, and sensitive estradiol. A CMP, CBC, and sensitive estradiol would be bare minimum tests. When you get off your higher doses, just use your 100-200 mg/week TRT dose.

In my opinion, if you eat and exercise properly, doses of 200-500 mg per week can help attain slow but solid muscle gains. Of course, this is provided you are smart about monitoring blood work and blood pressure. I really believe that doses above 500 mg/week of testosterone get to a point of diminishing returns and more side effects like water retention, acne, large hematocrit increases, etc

Also, read this table since higher doses may also cause higher side effects.

Testosterone Side Effect Management Table

I know everyone is different, Nelson, but could you give me some idea of what Testosterone numbers guys get to who are doing around 300 mg per week?

 

[Nelson Vergel]

Don

Depends on the blood testing company. Most would report TT > 2500 ng/dL