Understanding Test Levels and Muscle Retention/Gains

[Gman86]

I always do cardio after lifting. I’m glad that’s the preferred method.

Ya I used to as well. But have you heard of mTOR before? It’s a primary component to building muscle. What I was saying is that cardio inhibits mTOR. So doing cardio around a workout is somewhat counterproductive, if building muscle is your goal. I didn’t know this until recently. The way around this, is to just do cardio at least 4 hours away from your weight lifting sessions.

 

[Nashtide]

Ya I used to as well. But have you heard of mTOR before? It’s a primary component to building muscle. What I was saying is that cardio inhibits mTOR. So doing cardio around a workout is somewhat counterproductive, if building muscle is your goal. I didn’t know this until recently. The way around this, is to just do cardio at least 4 hours away from your weight lifting sessions.

I’m familiar with the concept of mTor. The problem is I have a life outside of exercising, so if I’m going to do cardio, it either needs to be before or after my lifting. So it seems like after is preferable to before.

 

[Gman86]

I’m familiar with the concept of mTor. The problem is I have a life outside of exercising, so if I’m going to do cardio, it either needs to be before or after my lifting. So it seems like after is preferable to before.

After is definitely preferred

 

[fifty]

Most people don’t train hard enough to worry about mtor and when to do cardio. Training like a frustrated teenager with good technique will get you further than being dr science.

 

[tmaxey1]

People than run cycles START at 500/wk, and that is just getting started. Future cycles are at higher levels to keep gaining.

I don’t think your T levels at 1000 vs 1500 is going to be a large factor in gym gains. Makes more sense to use it for therapeutic reasons. Focus on routine and diet for gains. If you want to run blasts then you would be silly to only go slightly above physiological levels imo.

Well not always. When I was 25 I gained 20-25 pounds on a 12 week cycle of only Sus 250. I did nothing to keep my natural T going. No hcg no clomid nothing. I’ve known many guys to get really good gains from moderate levels of test. Of course we hit the gym like animals and ate everything in sight. Drank at least 250 grams of protein per day.

As a 43 year old I would never put my tendons through that type of abuse again. Looking like a meathead isn’t a good look when I’m cheering for my sons at the little league field. To each his own. There is a line between someone thinking “nice arms” and “what’s wrong with that dudes self esteem”.

 

[jodisteel]

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