undecanoate

[DragonBits]

Yes, just for TRT. I saw a great article about libido. There is so much more tied to your libido than just testosterone levels. I will see if I can find it and post it later on. Your levels of blood testosterone are very individual and may depend on how much you take.

I was always taking testosterone because I was a competitive strength athlete. My mind and body were accustom to pretty high, blood testosterone levels. So that was my normal. Once I quit competing and started TRT I just could not accept how I felt with lower levels. I start feeling closer to normal on the high end of the scale. If not a little higher. So I push the envelop as long as the unwanted side effects are being controlled and I stay healthy. So in that aspect, I am very much different that most here.

100% on libido. Many think testosterone is the only important factor.

I would say it's more of an enabler of libido vs guarantee of a strong libido.

Assuming a good T level, for me the most important factors are the woman I am with and situation I am in.

 

[DragonBits]

I am going through the process of getting TRT on the NHS. and the Dr has spoke to the endocrinologist about giving me Nebido injectible (undecanoate). Does is work well, or should I try and get them to give me something else?
Thanks

I prefer testosterone undecanoate.

Just did a blood test 34 days after injection, my T level was 1427 ng/dl and falling. It will get to ~600 ng/dl if I wait 12 weeks.

Steady state is such a deceptive misnomer. Nothing is actually steady state, no matter what you use you will get peaks and troughs. What seems most important is to limit the frequency vs highests of the peaks.

Frequent peaks that aren't that high are good, big peaks that don't occur often are good. Big peaks that occur frequently give the most side effects.

Meaning daily injection of something like T-C gives frequent smaller peaks, every 10 weeks of Nebido give one big peak that falls off gradually every 10 weeks. Both seem to work equally well.

Worst is to give a bigger injection of T-C every 2 weeks. You give big peaks too often.

My only objections to testosterone undecanoate are once I inject there is no way to lower my T level, I am committed for 10-12 weeks. (I could always raise if at any time if I wanted to). And deep IM in glute isn't the easies site to reach.

 

[Keepfit1]

It's not about weather or not it works well, it can, the problem is the restrictive NHS guidelines. If you inject Nebido every 10 weeks, and end up with low levels before your next injection, as many do, your doctor is unable to shorten the injection frequency in order to maintain therapeutic levels all the time.

Sustanon or enanthate, you'll run into the same problems, the injection intervals are too far apart.

The NHS is very bad at TRT, sending men running for the hills! The NHS cannot change treatment protocols to each patient's individuals needs. It's for this reason most get TRT through the private cash only clinics in the UK.

Endocrinologist's are on average the worst choice to manage your TRT! It seems most of the specialty TRT doctors are private cash only, whether in the US or the UK.

The very long half-life of Nedibo means it could take 6 months to reach steady blood levels. Compare that to cypionate, 4-6 weeks to steady states or oral testosterone undecanoate, Jatenzo, Orlando, and Kyzatrex, 7 days to steady state and you see my point why Nebido is the least prefered.

Enanthate can be injected daily, weekly etc