Jinzang, We'll assume getting medicine is no problem. Can you give us a list of places where an illegal, a U.S. citizen not qualified for a resident visa, can get by without much harassment? Can he use local medical services? Get a driver's license, auto and insurance? Of course this is going to vary. Members from Latin America are welcome to reply.
TRT: A strategy for the growing legions of aged homeless in New Deal America
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Jinzang, We'll assume getting medicine is no problem. Can you give us a list of places where an illegal, a U.S. citizen not qualified for a resident visa, can get by without much harassment? Can he use local medical services? Get a driver's license, auto and insurance? Of course this is going to vary. Members from Latin America are welcome to reply.
I'm the wrong person to ask about staying in a country illegally. Presumably you would overstay a tourist visa, keep a low profile, and pay cash. As I said, not something I have experience with.
Several countries in Latin America make it very easy for Americans to immigrate, Ecuador and Panama come to mind. In Ecuador you can get a resident's visa with a college degree, a regular pension, or the purchase of a $25,000 CD from an Ecuador bank. So there is no need for most folks to live illegally.
Several countries in Latin America make it very easy for Americans to immigrate, Ecuador and Panama come to mind. In Ecuador you can get a resident's visa with a college degree, a regular pension, or the purchase of a $25,000 CD from an Ecuador bank. So there is no need for most folks to live illegally.
Jinzang thank you for your participation however I struggle to see how your suggestions are relevant to this thread and to low income seniors on TRT.
Many are disabled , some with HIV A I D S. These folks can be denied even temporary admission to the countries you mention and absolutely will not b allowed a resident visa.
On that issue, I have a few thoughts. Unfortunately, for many TRT is not considered medically necessary and they have to pay out of pocket. I am one of this group and I pay $200 a month for treatment at a clinic. I have a good paying job, so no problem. But I can see how it would be a problem for someone who lost their job and I have no solution.
For someone whose TRT is considered medically necessary, if they are over 65 there is Medicare and if under there is Medicaid or subsidized insurance through Obamacare. I had to run through this maze for my brother when he came down with cancer and was uninsured. So help is available, though it can take some effort to arrange things.
If someone is seriously ill, it's best to have friends or family to help give care and not go off to a foreign country, of course.
For someone whose TRT is considered medically necessary, if they are over 65 there is Medicare and if under there is Medicaid or subsidized insurance through Obamacare. I had to run through this maze for my brother when he came down with cancer and was uninsured. So help is available, though it can take some effort to arrange things.
If someone is seriously ill, it's best to have friends or family to help give care and not go off to a foreign country, of course.
Again, thanks for your contribution Jinzang. Please stay on topic. This thread isn't about emigration or insurance coverage.
Homeless often have insurance coverage. Why do you think they are not healthy then?
"It's best to have friends or family..."
Who doesn't agree with that! How many families abandon or outright reject their sons daughters brothers and sisters who have disability, especially HIV A I D S?
There are laws on the books to protect these persons against discrimination in housing and the workplace. These are now openly and freely being defied by counties and their judges sworn to uphold the law.
Getting back to the business of TRT from the backpack, let's try and deal with one challenge at a time.
How many here are using reusable glass syringes? How are you storing them and making them relatively safe for re-use?
Were can we get single dose hCG kits to avoid refrigeration?
How about combination nutrient stacks in a combined powder form?
Who will advocate for outlawing the current tax payer subsidized distribution of "food"?
Mountains of expired canned food, corn syrup, bleached white GMO flour serve no one and are actually rapidly driving up health care costs for everyone. It may seem like a bargain to feed low income people Spaghetti-O's in soy corn syrup sauce but you're paying for their increased health care cost.
The main obstacles for TRT from the back pack seem to be (1) bulk, reduce the kit size (2) access to single dose medicine (3) access to appropriate nutrition and supplements (4) legalizing public injection
I supported the Detroit National Health Care Center Initiative in the days preceding Obama Care. This plan called for the federal government to acquire the large swathe of abandoned Detroit properties and build a national health services residential community. This would have replaced Medicare and Medicaid for the surging populations of indigent homeless. Very few people liked this idea as they seem to prefer to keep homeless on their streets and enjoy the crime that is necessitated by that sort of existence.
I do believe we will eventually adopt this model. Some claim the existence of FEMA camps as proof that this solution is now being covertly pursued. Whether or not that is the case we are in the early stage of an explosion of the newly made homeless: hard working folks who've seen their retirement savings devalued and destroyed by an insane experiment at the Fed. Exponentially increasing national debt, now copied by other national banks around the globe, rewards an elite at the expense of those who need security from their intentionally and grossly devalued savings.
The only thing we need to address here are practical solutions for TRT from the backpack. These folks are still good for racking your yard and walking your dog. You can pay them cash under the table at half the minimum wage. It's in the public interest to keep them on TRT.
I see where you're coming from but I think the biggest obstacle to TRT is proving medical necessity.
I don't see anywhere it's shown that it's medically necessary for a person to be on TRT. Think about it. Look at the commercials. All they show is that TRT solves erection, tiredness and libido problems. Other commercials show that they cause heart attacks. Read all the TRT forums and see the trouble that people have to go through to get on TRT. I had a doctor look at my 290 and 277 t levels and say nothing is wrong with me. Then I had another look at my genitals and say since I had genital hair, I was fine. Another doctor said I had facial hair so I was fine. Then another one said my balls were not shrunk ok and I was fine and then another said, I looked healthy so I was fine. These were all doctors, urologists and endocrinologists.
I know on forums we like to think of testosterone like it's a statin, BP medication, HIV meds or insulin, but to the rest of the world, people look at testosterone like it's either Viagra , performance enhancing drugs, or you're some guy looking for the fountain of youth. Even the pharmacist looked at me funny when I handed him the script for the testosterone. He didn't want to fill it at first and told me that it'll cause cancer. Oh, another thing, I actually had one doc tell me that injections cause cancer but Androgel doesn't.
Think about it. Show up in the ER with BP that's 200/100, or glucose at 400. They will admit you. Even if you're homeless, they will see it as an emergency and take care of you. Show up with a T level of 50, or even 1, they won't care. That's the biggest obstacle right now.
I don't see anywhere it's shown that it's medically necessary for a person to be on TRT. Think about it. Look at the commercials. All they show is that TRT solves erection, tiredness and libido problems. Other commercials show that they cause heart attacks. Read all the TRT forums and see the trouble that people have to go through to get on TRT. I had a doctor look at my 290 and 277 t levels and say nothing is wrong with me. Then I had another look at my genitals and say since I had genital hair, I was fine. Another doctor said I had facial hair so I was fine. Then another one said my balls were not shrunk ok and I was fine and then another said, I looked healthy so I was fine. These were all doctors, urologists and endocrinologists.
I know on forums we like to think of testosterone like it's a statin, BP medication, HIV meds or insulin, but to the rest of the world, people look at testosterone like it's either Viagra , performance enhancing drugs, or you're some guy looking for the fountain of youth. Even the pharmacist looked at me funny when I handed him the script for the testosterone. He didn't want to fill it at first and told me that it'll cause cancer. Oh, another thing, I actually had one doc tell me that injections cause cancer but Androgel doesn't.
Think about it. Show up in the ER with BP that's 200/100, or glucose at 400. They will admit you. Even if you're homeless, they will see it as an emergency and take care of you. Show up with a T level of 50, or even 1, they won't care. That's the biggest obstacle right now.
Now a cancer survivor, person with HIV, etc. That's part of their ****tail of meds. It would be easier for them. For the majority of men on TRT, we're not seen in that same light.
I had a doc tell me that the majority people he's seen on TRT can get it fixed with proper diet, exercise, etc.
Somehow, TRT needs to be shown as a serious condition. It's easier to get a depression diagnosis than a hypogonadism diagnosis.
Another example, i have a friend who's a diabetic. If he runs out of insulin, he can walk into any ER and get treatment. If I run out of testosterone, I just have to live with it
I had a doc tell me that the majority people he's seen on TRT can get it fixed with proper diet, exercise, etc.
Somehow, TRT needs to be shown as a serious condition. It's easier to get a depression diagnosis than a hypogonadism diagnosis.
Another example, i have a friend who's a diabetic. If he runs out of insulin, he can walk into any ER and get treatment. If I run out of testosterone, I just have to live with it
Hi Henry, You've expressed very well why Californians would rather be here homeless than there housed.
[ I don't see anywhere it's shown that it's medically necessary for a person to be on TRT ]
Haven't you been active here for two years?
[ Think about it. Look at the commercials. ]
How about we sit down alone together, turn down the tube's dull roar, shut out the one-man band baying about smart missles, pick over the true lies and see if we can figure out why Americans love the openly deceptive. After which we'll do a search on how best to kill your tv.
Insulin vs TRT
Whether death comes fast or slow one is still dead. Consumers trained for instant gratification tend to overlook that.
[ I don't see anywhere it's shown that it's medically necessary for a person to be on TRT ]
Haven't you been active here for two years?
[ Think about it. Look at the commercials. ]
How about we sit down alone together, turn down the tube's dull roar, shut out the one-man band baying about smart missles, pick over the true lies and see if we can figure out why Americans love the openly deceptive. After which we'll do a search on how best to kill your tv.
Insulin vs TRT
Whether death comes fast or slow one is still dead. Consumers trained for instant gratification tend to overlook that.
I agree with you 100% and I'm not trying to be pessimistic or even play Devil's Advocate, I'm just basing my thoughts on my experiences concerning TRT.
At the end of the day, attitudes that society, even some doctors, have to change. Once it's seem as something as vital as a statin, blood pressure med, HIV med, insulin, etc. then the attitude will change.
Also, about the medical necessity. I've been on TRT for 3 years and I can attest to it's help, but in my 3 years, I have yet to hear of someone dying from low T. Of course it's a factor, but it's not taken in the same vein as statins or blood pressure meds for a stroke or heart attack.
Now that I mentioned strokes and heart attacks, there are reports of deaths due to TRT, as flawed as they are. I know we are all educated about TRT on this forum, but is your neighbor, fellow voter, Senator, etc.?
At the end of the day, attitudes that society, even some doctors, have to change. Once it's seem as something as vital as a statin, blood pressure med, HIV med, insulin, etc. then the attitude will change.
Also, about the medical necessity. I've been on TRT for 3 years and I can attest to it's help, but in my 3 years, I have yet to hear of someone dying from low T. Of course it's a factor, but it's not taken in the same vein as statins or blood pressure meds for a stroke or heart attack.
Now that I mentioned strokes and heart attacks, there are reports of deaths due to TRT, as flawed as they are. I know we are all educated about TRT on this forum, but is your neighbor, fellow voter, Senator, etc.?
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Sorry Vince....That would never work.
This is the situation as I read it. A guy paid $10,000 to a lawyer to try to keep his junky $2,500 a month apartment. Now he's homeless, but I guess he still has $2,400 a month or so. He's too old to move so we need to get him some cheap test and HCG along with some glass needles in a backpack so his hormones will be balanced as he sleeps under a bridge with his sacks of money. It sounds like he will still be able to join a gym and eat pretty well.
Vince and his community hung out the welcome sign this morning. Awesome dude! He's accepting borders. His community has agreed to expand its Medicaid program, build new county clinics, hospitals, hire new government workers, put in first ever public transit. The landlords all agreed to a new state rent control law to prevent what's happening in CA.
Vince along with the majority are on board for drastically higher taxes and have plans to deal with the congestion caused by the sudden influx of thousands of people because unlike ND where they looked to the petroleum industry to pay for the required infrastructure I suspect Big Pharma will scream Not a Chance!
It's gonna take time to work out the details and to get the governor on board. WI is therefore asking the rest of America to press for the National Bus Visa. With all the seniors safely boarded and temporarily housed by Greyhound they're on there way to discover America. Communities across the nation have been in touch with France Turkey Greece and the EU countries for information on how to deal with their new temporary guests until they are permanently re-settled in WI.
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