Transcrotal testosterone cream blood results

[Keepfit1]

Good Evening,

My first post to the forum looking to get some opinions on my recent blood work.

I've been on TRT for about 10 years. For the first 5 or so, things were great on 150-200mg Cypionate per week, nothing else. About 5 years ago I began struggling with libido issues and some ED. Over the last 5 years I've experimented quite a bit with dosage, injection frequency etc. Recently my TRT clinic suggested I try Transscrotal cream due to the increased libido. I started on the cream about 2 month ago and overall its been really great. Improved mood, energy, motivation, libido. Felt the best I have in years.

The one area that has gotten worse is the ED. Its worst Ive ever experienced where cialis wont even phase it. I just got some labs back and curious if anything jumps out as the culprit? Clearly the testosterone is quite high, but I've had these levels before from injections without such severe ED.

Dosage: 200mg cream, 4 clicks daily to scrotum, 2 in am, 2 in PM.
43, non-smoker, non-drinker, healthy diet, no rec drugs.

These labs were drawn 9 hours after application, 3 hours prior to next application.

Thanks

One thing to watch for with creams and gels is contamination, if you rub it on your testicles and later shower or wash your arms some of the T can stay there and send the labs in to jupiter, ie if some residue on the vein, for about a week before a blood test for T I apply gel with gloves to be sure no contamination.

 

[golfjunkie]

One thing to watch for with creams and gels is contamination, if you rub it on your testicles and later shower or wash your arms some of the T can stay there and send the labs in to jupiter, ie if some residue on the vein, for about a week before a blood test for T I apply gel with gloves to be sure no contamination.

great to know.

 

[tropicaldaze1950]

Here goes another experiment for me. I have two large syringes of compounded T cream/10% from last year. For whatever reason, I never experimented with doing more than one click. Going to do three clicks/30 mg, scrotum,groin,inner thighs. If I experience improved erectile function/more frequent erections, I'll ask my urologist for a new rx at a higher concentration. I still have my rx Test E if this doesn't work.

 

[tropicaldaze1950]

Yes but when I switched to just morning application on scrotum it fixed the issue.

How soon did you experience improved erectile function?

 

[tropicaldaze1950]

How does transcrotal compare to IM when it comes to depression? Took my injection last week. After reading on here and t-nation, decided to use the T cream I had left(enough for a month). After two days on the cream I find myself sad and depressed. Yes, maybe it's switching over or it's dose dependent and I ultimately need a higher concentration. Or is there no comparison between injecting and transcrotal when it comes to depression, with IM being superior? Sigh. This is exhausting.

 

[golfjunkie]

How does transcrotal compare to IM when it comes to depression? Took my injection last week. After reading on here and t-nation, decided to use the T cream I had left(enough for a month). After two days on the cream I find myself sad and depressed. Yes, maybe it's switching over or it's dose dependent and I ultimately need a higher concentration. Or is there no comparison between injecting and transcrotal when it comes to depression, with IM being superior? Sigh. This is exhausting.

For me, the mental aspect was the most noticeable difference on the cream. I've never felt so good mentally on TRT as with the cream. I think that is due to the skyhigh DHT I had. As I understand it, DHT impacts mood positively.

 

[tropicaldaze1950]

For me, the mental aspect was the most noticeable difference on the cream. I've never felt so good mentally on TRT as with the cream. I think that is due to the skyhigh DHT I had. As I understand it, DHT impacts mood positively.

Thanks for the reply. Feeling so sad and depressed, I took my injection. Though IM doesn't totally ameliorate the depression, (part of bipolar illness) I feel better with it. Maybe a bit more energy and more mood enhancement. Good to hear that you're doing well on transcrotal cream. The only way I'd switch back is if my urologist prescribed a high concentration cream in an amount that I could do multiple daily dosing or one large morning dose.

 

[Dicky]

Here goes another experiment for me. I have two large syringes of compounded T cream/10% from last year. For whatever reason, I never experimented with doing more than one click. Going to do three clicks/30 mg, scrotum,groin,inner thighs. If I experience improved erectile function/more frequent erections, I'll ask my urologist for a new rx at a higher concentration. I still have my rx Test E if this doesn't work.

You are going to go from 1 click to 3 clicks? You are free to do as you wish, but If it were me, I would start with 2 clicks instead of 3. In my experience, getting too much testosterone is worse than too little. I'm worried that you will shoot right through the optimum dosage, feel worse for it and potentially draw the wrong conclusion that a higher dose doesn't help. Just my 2 cents.

 

[K.pietera]

Thanks for the feedback. Yes I was quite shocked how high the cream got my level, especially right before my next application.

Hi,

I am on the transcrotal cream for almost 3 years right now and 9hrs is to short afther to do your bloodwork. You should wait 12hrs before you do your bloodwork.

trust me it will make a difference. I am a customer of BalanceMyHormones and they told me to wait 12hr because The halflife of the scrotal cream is 12hrs. It's a really great company with a lot of experience so I guess they know what they are doing.

I started out like you , 2 x 2 clicks ( 4 clicks total= 200mg ) but now I use 2x 1 click and I feel really good on it.

 

[golfjunkie]

Hi,

I am on the transcrotal cream for almost 3 years right now and 9hrs is to short afther to do your bloodwork. You should wait 12hrs before you do your bloodwork.

trust me it will make a difference. I am a customer of BalanceMyHormones and they told me to wait 12hr because The halflife of the scrotal cream is 12hrs. It's a really great company with a lot of experience so I guess they know what they are doing.

I started out like you , 2 x 2 clicks ( 4 clicks total= 200mg ) but now I use 2x 1 click and I feel really good on it.

Thanks for the reply. With regards to the blood work timing. 12 hours would be when It time to apply my next dose. I think my levels will still be elevated 3 hours later?

How is your libido and erections on your dosage? Whats it keep your blood levels at?

 

[Jerajera]

Hi,

I am on the transcrotal cream for almost 3 years right now and 9hrs is to short afther to do your bloodwork. You should wait 12hrs before you do your bloodwork.

trust me it will make a difference. I am a customer of BalanceMyHormones and they told me to wait 12hr because The halflife of the scrotal cream is 12hrs. It's a really great company with a lot of experience so I guess they know what they are doing.

I started out like you , 2 x 2 clicks ( 4 clicks total= 200mg ) but now I use 2x 1 click and I feel really good on it.

Are you still off the DHT cream? Only applying 1 click (50mg?) AM and PM of the compounded Test cream to the scrotum?

Do you know what your levels are on this protocol? Are you taking anything else (Pregnenolong, DHEA, Progesterone)?

Sorry lots of questions! Hope you're doing well.

 

[K.pietera]

Thanks for the reply. With regards to the blood work timing. 12 hours would be when It time to apply my next dose. I think my levels will still be elevated 3 hours later?

How is your libido and erections on your dosage? Whats it keep your blood levels at?

That is correct it will still be elevated but it will be less , and 3 hrs later can really make a difference. My libido is really good and overall wellness also ,

My free T levels are alwas between 900 and 1300 nmol/l so that is HIGH. But my SHBG is in the low range ( 24 ) so that is why my free T is that high at a los dose of 100ml ( 2 x 1 click to scrotum )

 

[K.pietera]

Are you still off the DHT cream? Only applying 1 click (50mg?) AM and PM of the compounded Test cream to the scrotum?

Do you know what your levels are on this protocol? Are you taking anything else (Pregnenolong, DHEA, Progesterone)?

Sorry lots of questions! Hope you're doing well.

Hi there ,

I am not on DHT cream anymore , I used it for 3 months but I had really bad side effects probably due to low estrogen ( I had severe night sweats and cracking joints ). Even tough on my bloodwork my estrogen didn´t show low...

I don´t take anything else now beside testosterone. In the past I used DHT cream , HCG , ( both made me feel really bad ) and Proviron ( 2 x 25mg for 3 months in the 2nd year of my therapy )

I started with Hertoge clinic in brussels belgium run by the famous Thierry hertoghe but now I am with Balancemyhormones in the UK under supervison of George Touliatos , he is a real good doctor that knows what he is doing. Thierry hertoghe also is a really good doctor but in Belgium they always give a 10% testosterone gel and that did not help me that much , also here it´s extreme expensive and I think that hertoghe his method is not up to date anymore.

In the attachment you can see my most recent results.

 

[golfjunkie]

Hi there ,

I am not on DHT cream anymore , I used it for 3 months but I had really bad side effects probably due to low estrogen ( I had severe night sweats and cracking joints ). Even tough on my bloodwork my estrogen didn´t show low...

I don´t take anything else now beside testosterone. In the past I used DHT cream , HCG , ( both made me feel really bad ) and Proviron ( 2 x 25mg for 3 months in the 2nd year of my therapy )

I started with Hertoge clinic in brussels belgium run by the famous Thierry hertoghe but now I am with Balancemyhormones in the UK under supervison of George Touliatos , he is a real good doctor that knows what he is doing. Thierry hertoghe also is a really good doctor but in Belgium they always give a 10% testosterone gel and that did not help me that much , also here it´s extreme expensive and I think that hertoghe his method is not up to date anymore.

In the attachment you can see my most recent results.

Thanks for the message. If you only apply once a day, what do you think your levels are right before application? (24 hours after application.) Wouldn't that be your trough?

 

[K.pietera]

Thanks for the message. If you only apply once a day, what do you think your levels are right before application? (24 hours after application.) Wouldn't that be your trough?

No I don´t think so. The halflife of the transcrotal cream is 12hr. ,even when I did my full dose at once I had to do it in the evening before my bloodwork. Try to aim for exaclty 12hr post application to do your bloodwork and see what level you´re at.

That is what I was told to do. In both hertoge clinic and BMH they follow this protocol with the cream.

 

[FunkOdyssey]

No I don´t think so. The halflife of the transcrotal cream is 12hr. ,even when I did my full dose at once I had to do it in the evening before my bloodwork. Try to aim for exaclty 12hr post application to do your bloodwork and see what level you´re at.

That is what I was told to do. In both hertoge clinic and BMH they follow this protocol with the cream.

They might have their reasons for measuring 12 hours post application, but if you only apply once a day, your lowest levels are definitely right before the next application (24 hours after the last application).

 

[K.pietera]

Yes , that's true !

 

[golfjunkie]

Yes , that's true !

Agree, there is a 24 hour gap between applications. 12 hours after would not be trough. Have you ever had labs drawn 24 hours after application?

 

[K.pietera]

No I have not but that said ,next time I have to talk with my medical case manager I will discuss that !

 

[Jerajera]

Hi there ,

I am not on DHT cream anymore , I used it for 3 months but I had really bad side effects probably due to low estrogen ( I had severe night sweats and cracking joints ). Even tough on my bloodwork my estrogen didn´t show low...

I don´t take anything else now beside testosterone. In the past I used DHT cream , HCG , ( both made me feel really bad ) and Proviron ( 2 x 25mg for 3 months in the 2nd year of my therapy )

I started with Hertoge clinic in brussels belgium run by the famous Thierry hertoghe but now I am with Balancemyhormones in the UK under supervison of George Touliatos , he is a real good doctor that knows what he is doing. Thierry hertoghe also is a really good doctor but in Belgium they always give a 10% testosterone gel and that did not help me that much , also here it´s extreme expensive and I think that hertoghe his method is not up to date anymore.

In the attachment you can see my most recent results.

Thank you for the quick and in-depth reply, I'm glad to hear you're doing well. It's amazing your levels are that high on just 1 click AM/PM.

The low E2 symptoms on the DHT cream make sense since it's a strong Estrogen antagonist but at the receptor level, which would explain why systemic E2 is unaffected on paper despite low E2 symptoms.

Between the scrotal Test cream already jacking up DHT levels, an actual DHT cream on top and Proviron (a strong DHT derivative) on top of all that, that's a lot of DHT!

Do you feel significantly better on the 2x/day application as opposed to 2 clicks 1x/day?

Any complaints about anything on this protocol (gym performance, brain fog, etc...)? Specifically, do you notice any difference, positive or negative, in terms of mental clarity compared to pre-TRT?