SUBQ dr crisler method

[BJE]

So in all of this, does method of injection at the end of the day really matter? After watching dr crislers video. I’m just trying to figure out how SUBQ makes a difference. I am doing it obviously. But at the end of the day doesn’t Testosterone convert all the same once it fully enters the blood stream?

The point of sub q injections are that they are essentially painless and therefore it’s easier to do them more frequently for a more stable testosterone level with lower peaks and thus less estrogen conversion.

 

[BJE]

I didn't like the way SQ made me feel at all, IM is best for me. It felt as if the entire injection went straight over to estrogen.

I don’t know how one would feel a difference. I certainly didn’t.

 

[Zooulie12]

I don’t know how one would feel a difference. I certainly didn’t.

That’s interesting, wonder how that could be possible. About it converting all to estrogen.

 

[BJE]

I don’t know why sub q would have a higher rate of estrogen conversion. It hasn’t had for me.

 

[BJE]

I’d estimate that I’ve given myself more than 1000 sub q testosterone injections.

 

[Zooulie12]

I’d estimate that I’ve given myself more than 1000 sub q testosterone injections.

What size needle do use again? I’m using a 27 gauge.

 

[BJE]

What size needle do use again? I’m using a 27 gauge.

6mm, 31g, .5ml BD insulin syringes.

 

[Zooulie12]

6mm, 31g, .5ml BD insulin syringes.

Does that take awhile to fill? Since I have switched over to 27 gauge. It takes forever to fill

 

[lemonflavor]

No, his point was squeezing the skin and causing a bulge making for a more painful injection as opposed to just doing a quick injection without squeezing. This great man was a very dear friend of mine and his passing pains me today...

I have no doubt what you say is true, but I was going directly off what he said in the video, namely that squeezing increases the pressure in the tissue and squeezes it (the oil) back out again. I hope my jacked and tan comment didn't offend. I wrote it as a compliment.

 

[BJE]

Does that take awhile to fill? Since I have switched over to 27 gauge. It takes forever to fill

I inject air into the vial then pull back the plunger and set it upside down at a 45 degree angle in my underwear drawer and in a few minutes I come back and it is full.

 

[Cataceous]

That’s interesting, wonder how that could be possible. About it converting all to estrogen.

The Antares clinical trial found the same dose-proportionate average estradiol production for subcutaneous and intramuscular injections.

 

[antelopers]

I don’t know how one would feel a difference. I certainly didn’t.

Big difference for me as well. With the same exact protocol, only difference being subq, I felt absolutely awful and had more sides.

 

[S1W]

No, his point was squeezing the skin and causing a bulge making for a more painful injection as opposed to just doing a quick injection without squeezing. This great man was a very dear friend of mine and his passing pains me today...

Funny asking as I've been doing SubQ injections for a while now, always pinching a little fat and injecting into it. My assumption was that doing so would somehow keep the needle further away from any underlying tissue, etc and keep the injection in subcutaneous fat.

Is this unnecessary? Would there be absolutely no difference in risk of nicking something/going into muscle regardless of whether I pull up some skin/fat or not?

 

[BJE]

I pitch the skin and pull it away from the underlying muscle. Then I inject away from where I’m pinching. If I didn’t do this I’d probably hit the muscle.

 

[Zooulie12]

I pitch the skin and pull it away from the underlying muscle. Then I inject away from where I’m pinching. If I didn’t do this I’d probably hit the muscle.

So then your injection would just be shallow IM? If you were hitting the muscle in your stomach?

 

[BJE]

So then your injection would just be shallow IM? If you were hitting the muscle in your stomach?

I inject in the butt not the stomach. I pull the skin away from the underlying muscle so that I don’t hit the muscle. I inject a little way from where I’m pinching so that I’m not injecting right into where I’m pinching.