Subcutaneous Administration of Testosterone

[johnt]

I use 27 gauge 1/2 inch. I hate subcutaneous injections since they really have a higher chance for injection site reactions. I inject at 90 degrees into the muscle on shoulders and legs. Pretty painless and testosterone flows fast enough with that gauge.

Any reason why Dr. Crisler states "I can't advise my patients to inject into the delts, etc, of course."?

 

[James]

Any reason why Dr. Crisler states "I can't advise my patients to inject into the delts, etc, of course."?

Because this is TRT. There is little agreement on the simplest of things, like if it's ok to inject in the delts, let alone the more complex aspects of trt. There is tremendous debate. We're all learning as we go. We try new things/techniques, and report back our results. We continue to make adjustments as we learn more. I would however like to know Dr. Crisler's thoughts on this (assuming what you said is true), because delts have become my favorite injection spots.

 

[ERO]

I have injected in my delts for years. Basically anywhere on your body that you can easily reach and that does not cause undo swelling post-injection is a perfectly reasonable place to inject. There are no magic injection spots that make your TRT experience better than if you injected elsewhere.

 

[CoastWatcher]

Because this is TRT. There is little agreement on the simplest of things, like if it's ok to inject in the delts, let alone the more complex aspects of trt. There is tremendous debate. We're all learning as we go. We try new things/techniques, and report back our results. We continue to make adjustments as we learn more. I would however like to know Dr. Crisler's thoughts on this (assuming what you said is true), because delts have become my favorite injection spots.

"Because this is TRT." Very, very true.

 

[johnt]

Because this is TRT. There is little agreement on the simplest of things, like if it's ok to inject in the delts, let alone the more complex aspects of trt. There is tremendous debate. We're all learning as we go. We try new things/techniques, and report back our results. We continue to make adjustments as we learn more. I would however like to know Dr. Crisler's thoughts on this (assuming what you said is true), because delts have become my favorite injection spots.

Thanks James. "Because this is TRT" was a great answer and gave me a good laugh. The quote I posted was from post #92 in this thread by Dr. Crisler. Just curious why he would make that statement regarding injecting into delts. Has there been some studies in which injecting into delts is problematic? Anyone experience issues injecting into the delts?

 

[James]

Although I'm not his patient, I think it's commonly accepted that Dr. Crisler is one of a handful of the most knowledgeable guys on the planet when it comes to TRT. I can't think of why he would advise against injecting in the delts. It's become my go-to injection spot.

 

[FeelingLost]

So this is a pretty old thread started in 2013 and last post more than a year ago 8/2016. What is the latest thinking on subcutaneous injections?
Are some still doing them or have we evolved to shallow IM?
I ask because my protocol was changed last Friday from compounded cream to T cyp with 27g 1/2 syringes. So I am in research mode.

 

[James]

I've never been a fan of Sub-Q and have injected in the shoulders for years. I'm doing twice a week, guys who are injecting daily may have a different spin on it due to the frequency of their injections.

 

[Nelson Vergel]

I hate red spots on my abs, so shoulders are my favorite place to inject. I am also right handed but due to health issue lost control of most of my right hand. So I only use my right shoulder with my left hand. Amazing that I do not feel any scar tissue after 3 years.

 

[TheyCallMeTrinity]

So this is a pretty old thread started in 2013 and last post more than a year ago 8/2016. What is the latest thinking on subcutaneous injections?
Are some still doing them or have we evolved to shallow IM?
I ask because my protocol was changed last Friday from compounded cream to T cyp with 27g 1/2 syringes. So I am in research mode.

I did Sub-Q for 2+ years and while I went off HRT in April, when I go back on someday, I will immediately start with Sub-Q (both T and HCG). I have fairly low body-fat (~15%) and never really had any scarring or noticeable areas. It was pain-free since you are injecting into fat and I took extensive notes and noticed (at least on me) that it was a more sustained release. I believe I divided my doses up every 2-3 days, so I was not injecting a huge amount or anything.

To each their own, but I greatly preferred sub-q to muscular injections.

 

[CoastWatcher]

So this is a pretty old thread started in 2013 and last post more than a year ago 8/2016. What is the latest thinking on subcutaneous injections?
Are some still doing them or have we evolved to shallow IM?
I ask because my protocol was changed last Friday from compounded cream to T cyp with 27g 1/2 syringes. So I am in research mode.

Over two two years on daily injections and the shallow IM works well for me (30 gauge insulin needle, very common here in Canada). I rotate, so certainly some of my injections are sub-q, but the shallow IM with a fine needle is ideal from my perspective.

 

[CoastWatcher]

Curious what direction, if any, the Defy medical team offered on this topic?

 

[FeelingLost]

Curious what direction, if any, the Defy medical team offered on this topic?

My directions were Sub-Q 3 times a week.
There were no specifics like where to inject. I am sure detailed instructions will be with the order or I plan to call if something is not clear.

Already injecting HCG twice a week. They upped that to 3 times as well.

 

[Vince]

I dislike Sub-Q injections, I only use shallow IM with either a 27g 1/2" or 29g 1/2" easy touch syringe. I rotate shoulders and ventorgluteal. My favorite spot is the ventorgluteal.

 

[Tommy Wall]

I use them both: HCG - Sub-Q injections and testo - shallow IM.

 

[HealthMan]

My experience with subq site reaction. Anywhere in my abdomen it would irritate my skin and create lumps that would last 2-3 weeks. I have now injected subq on buttocks, thigh and calves. Zero bad reactions. In 5-6 weeks i will know if absorption is the same as IM.
I am using 30G 5/16 0.3ml insulin syringes for daily shots. They are wayyy better than the 1ml syringes i was using. You can easily measure 0.05ml increments.

 

[FeelingLost]

I dislike Sub-Q injections, I only use shallow IM with either a 27g 1/2" or 29g 1/2" easy touch syringe. I rotate shoulders and ventorgluteal. My favorite spot is the ventorgluteal.

Hi Vince, So I poked my HCG(30g 1/2") into my ventorgluteal this morning. I can see why you like that area.

 

[Vince]

Hi Vince, So I poked my HCG(30g 1/2") into my ventorgluteal this morning. I can see why you like that area.

Yes a very nice place to inject, my favorite. It did take me some time to get comfortable injecting there. I'm happy I put in the effort.

 

[Crat33]

Yes a very nice place to inject, my favorite. It did take me some time to get comfortable injecting there. I'm happy I put in the effort.

Hey Vince, please help me find this area. My abdomen/ move handles are taming a beating!

 

[Vince]

Hey Vince, please help me find this area. My abdomen/ move handles are taming a beating!

Best testosterone injection site, no aspiration needed, avoids all nerves