My latest testosterone panel

Vince · Sep 22, 2015

I use 80mg of testosterone cypionate and 500iu of hcg every 3 1/2 days - no AI

testosterone, serum 1059ng/dl 348-1197
free testosterone direct 28.9 pg/mL 6.6-18.1
dhea-sulate 214.9 ug/dL 48.9-344.2
estradiol, seneitive 27.3 pg/mL 8.0-35.0

BBaller · Sep 22, 2015

Hey Vince,

I'm just starting to understand these panels, but it seems that you're doing well and in range for all but free T. How do you feel?

Vince · Sep 22, 2015

BBaller Hi, I'm feeling very good. Strong libido and clear mind.

BBaller · Sep 22, 2015

That's great!

A couple of questions:
a- How do you manage dosing every 3.5 days? Is that something like Sunday/Wednesday one week, and Sunday/Thursday the next?
b- Can you describe your background in brief? How long have you been on TRT? Have you been on HCG the whole time? Do you use the same protocol that Nelson uses (dual injections)? Do you inject IM or SubQ?
c- How often do you run these panels?

Vince · Sep 22, 2015

BBaller said:
That's great!

A couple of questions:
a- How do you manage dosing every 3.5 days? Is that something like Sunday/Wednesday one week, and Sunday/Thursday the next?
b- Can you describe your background in brief? How long have you been on TRT? Have you been on HCG the whole time? Do you use the same protocol that Nelson uses (dual injections)? Do you inject IM or SubQ?
c- How often do you run these panels?

I inject sunday nights and thursday mornings 3 1/2 days
I started TRT december 4th 2014. I've been on hcg the whole time. Yes I use Nelson's protocol, shallow IM.
Run testosterone panel every 6 months, when I first started ran the second one after 12 weeks.

Nelson Vergel · Sep 22, 2015

Nice numbers, Vince.

Thanks for all you do here to help others balance their hormones like you have.

Vince Carter · Sep 22, 2015

Looks good Vince, are you supplementing DHEA at all? I know you're with Dr Saya and that's a thing he makes a priority for me. Just Curious.

BBaller · Sep 22, 2015

Thanks Vince.

Obviously each person needs to determine their own best practices, but the general consensus seems to be a protocol similar to what you're describing. Hope all continues to be smooth for you.

Vince · Sep 22, 2015

Vince Carter said:
Looks good Vince, are you supplementing DHEA at all? I know you're with Dr Saya and that's a thing he makes a priority for me. Just Curious.

Yes I do suppment with 10mg of jarrow dhea every day

Vince · Sep 22, 2015

BBaller said:
Thanks Vince.

Obviously each person needs to determine their own best practices, but the general consensus seems to be a protocol similar to what you're describing. Hope all continues to be smooth for you.

Thanks BBaller and I hope all goes good for you

ERO · Sep 23, 2015

Looks great, Vince!

eli · Oct 5, 2015

sorry for bumping this old thread but vince those are great numbers

Did you try SubQ before trying Nelson's protocol and if yes, how did that go ? plz provide some TT and E2 numbers if you have?

I'm doing SubQ now and if it doesn't workout then I will follow nelson's protocol... The shallow IM protocol

Vince · Oct 5, 2015

eli said:
sorry for bumping this old thread but vince those are great numbers

Did you try SubQ before trying Nelson's protocol and if yes, how did that go ? plz provide some TT and E2 numbers if you have?

I'm doing SubQ now and if it doesn't workout then I will follow nelson's protocol... The shallow IM protocol

eli Hi, no I never tried subq, I used Nelson's protocol right from the start and thankfully never had a reason to switch.

maxadvance · Nov 4, 2015

Hi Vince,

thanks for your constant input, and those #'s look awesome. So not to be a critic, but I saw you mention that you are still doing pde5, why do you suppose you need them if your T is great and your estradiol is low to average? Is your LH ok? I just don't get that part

ERO · Nov 4, 2015

Most of us have found that even with perfect numbers on TRT, the ED issues never goes away completely, hence the need for PDE5 inhibitors. TRT is always "marketed" as solving al ED and low libido issues, but it rarely does so, or does so to the level that everyone desires. Also, some take low doses to help with blood flow as part of a N.O. stack.

Vince · Nov 5, 2015

maxadvance said:
Hi Vince,

thanks for your constant input, and those #'s look awesome. So not to be a critic, but I saw you mention that you are still doing pde5, why do you suppose you need them if your T is great and your estradiol is low to average? Is your LH ok? I just don't get that part

I can get hard without PDE5 and have sex, but with ED meds I'm 18 again

I'm having the best sex of my life and in a few weeks I'll be 61. I also take Viagra before I workout, it give me that extra pump.

Vince · Nov 5, 2015

maxadvance, here's a good tread Relationship between testosterone levels and ED https://www.excelmale.com/forum/showthread.php?3541-Relationship-between-testosterone-levels-and-ED

Vince Carter · Nov 5, 2015

ERO said:
Most of us have found that even with perfect numbers on TRT, the ED issues never goes away completely, hence the need for PDE5 inhibitors. TRT is always "marketed" as solving al ED and low libido issues, but it rarely does so, or does so to the level that everyone desires. Also, some take low doses to help with blood flow as part of a N.O. stack.

I'll agree and add my own observations that the PDE5s work better and more reliably.