Yes. Thank you for that. My point though was if those guys had sub 800 levels, I’d hate to do half the dose, as I already feel tired and brain fog on the 400 bid regimen. I’m going to give it 2 more weeks then check labs. I’ll check right before my afternoon dose around 1pm, sound reasonable?
You want to test at peak which would be 4-5 hrs post dose.
Even then if you end up hitting a stellar peak TT/FT you still need to give the protocol a fare shake.
As I stated in a previous thread:
Feel better on trt or not on trt?? Kind of confused because above you said you feel better now than you did on trt.
Either way, it’s your life and hope you find something that works and makes you feel good enough to enjoy your time on this planet. I do agree with madman though, that free t level seems chronically low and not what most would consider even close to a healthy level. If you feel better there then hopefully you’re an exception.
Also, if you are such an outlier that makes me reconsider your constant praise of
oral testosterone.
Not saying it didn’t work for you...
Would not go that far here!
Much more to the story.
The downfall here is many men jumping on oral TU start on the lower end dose let alone do not always put in the time to truly gauge the effectiveness of the protocol and even then many bailout before even titrating up in dose which may be needed in many cases in order to achieve a high enough TT/FT.
Even when using oral TU (Jatenzo or
Kyzatrex) steady-state is achieved fairly quick but one still needs to put in the time let alone titrate up in dose if need be before jumping to any conclusions.
Another critical point that needs to be made here is there are a fair amount of men already on injectable T running high let alone absurdly high FT levels trough/steady-state that decide to give oral TU a go.
This is going to make a huge difference here as to how one feels when first starting oral TU as it will take time for the body to adapt to the 2 daily peaks/troughs vs coming down from the high/absurdly high trough/steady-state FT levels achieved on injectables.
These guys are already amped up on T 24/7!
As you should very well know from hanging out on this forum let alone those other so called men's health/HRT forums loaded with all those blast n cruizerrzzz pushing that more T is better mentality bullshit that unfortunately most men are overmedicated on T from the get-go!
You have guys running around with high/absurdly high trough/steady-state FT levels well beyond their genetic set-point.
Blown the suicide doors of the LAMBO here!
FT levels through the roof 24/7!
No way most of these men could truly give an oral TU protocol a fair shake!
You would need to bite the bullet and expect to feel shitty from the get-go as again it will take time for the body to adapt.
Put money on it if the individual started TTh using oral TU and put in the time let alone was titrated properly so he achieved a high enough TT/FT level many would fair well overall on such protocol!
Even much better when it comes to the sides (cosmetic/blood markers) than most using injectable T!
I could name off quite a few of the top uros treating men with oral TU that have many satisfied patients and it was mentioned in a recent interview Nelson posted with Marius Pharmaceuticals CEO Shalin Shah that common dosing regimens for
Kyzatrex are 300-400 mg BID (2X/day) /600-800 mg daily!
The starting dose is 200 mg BID/400 mg daily.
