Maximus: Oral TRT+ (native T + enclomiphene + pregnenolone)

[docc]

Will do. I have been surfing different forums and I have found a few anecdotes where people have been running enclomiphene with their cypionate and have mid-high lh/fsh. I am going to continue with my protocol (Prop) but drop the HCG because I don't like it anyway and switch to enclomiphene which I have some from Hallendale. I will get tested in about a month and let yall know how it goes. Plan on taking 12.5mg enclomiphene eod at night time.

I'm having trouble finding the video but Dr. Mark Gordon uses clomid with his patients and he says it works to raise lh/fsh while on TRT.

I've never seen a SERM able to raise LH/FSH to baseline levels while on injectable TRT. Dr. Justin Saya has noted this numerous times as well on discussion forums. Maybe a little bit, but not avoiding suppression altogether.

 

[docc]

what GH secretagogue would you recommend?

Testosterone:

Testosterone administration increases insulin-like growth factor-I levels in normal men - PubMed

Although testosterone (T) administration can increase insulin-like growth factor-I (IGF-I) when administered to hypogonadal men, no studies have examined whether this occurs in normal men. The present study was undertaken to determine if an increase in IGF-I may be part of the anabolic effect of...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

That's why oral testosterone pairs well with enclomiphene.

 

[docc]

The benefits, I noticed immediately were smoother sailing to a steady state in 7 days. No ups and downs like on injections, which goes on for weeks.

Definitely improvement in libido and erections, which was mostly absent on injections beyond the first week. Also Jatenzo nets you higher DHT than with injections.

I would try to aim for a higher than mid range at your midpoint or 6 hours.

Yesterday I got 592 ng/dL at 5 hours. Estrogen was 18 pg/mL and will rectify that now that I’ve stopped daily Cialis. I feel so much better after stopping daily Cialis!

592 ng/dL is not that high. What dose are you taking?

In our last trial, we saw peak Total T levels at 1327 ng/dL on average.

 

[stayingbalanced]

Wtf is "native testosterone"?

I'd assume they mean endogenous testosterone

 

[docc]

I'd assume they mean endogenous testosterone

Native testosteorne, just like your body mades (unmodified, unesterified). The good stuff!

It's chemically identical to endogeonous T, but because the oral tablet doesn't come from endogenous sources, I wouldn't call it that. But the part stimualted by enclomiphene can be.

It's more testosterone reinforcement therapy vs. true replacement.

 

[phalloguy100]

Re: Halotestin, see this study: Fluoxymesterone
They used small doses (average 2.5mg/day) in place of TRT. Testicle & penis size increased, and sperm parameters improved.

Re: Proviron, see this manufacturer's insert: https://www.bayer.com/sites/default/files/PROVIRON_EN_PI.pdf
It looks like it can be used to preserve fertility and as part (or replacement?) of TRT.

 

[BigBeard411]

when will this be available in NY?

 

[FunkOdyssey]

when will this be available in NY?

It became available in NY today.

 

[BigBeard411]

anyone here with low T on this protocol? How has it been?