Is it OK to take HCG with Cialis?

lw17 · May 3, 2017

I've been on HCG for about 6 months, and my erection quality over the past 2 weeks seems to have SIGNFICANTLY dropped. I get them sporadically, but they don't last and it's harder for me to get one on my own.

I recognize that this might be a problem with my dosage or another issue. I'm having bloodwork done to rectify the problem. But by the time I do that and see a doctor, it will be 2 weeks. In the meantime, can I take 5-10mg of Cialis along with my Pregnyl (HCG)? I understand that might not help me, but would it hurt to try Cialis while also taking my 3 doses of HCG a week? Is it OK to take while taking HCG?

Thanks!

Vince · May 3, 2017

You can take HCG and Cialis together. I do and there's not bad effect from using both.

lw17 · May 3, 2017

Thank you!

Just out of curiosity, how many mg do you take of Cialis with your HCG?

CoastWatcher · May 3, 2017

lw17 said:
Thank you!

Just out of curiosity, how many mg do you take of Cialis with your HCG?

Men here take anywhere from five to 20 milligrams a day. HCG and Cialis are dosed without regard to one another.

lw17 · May 3, 2017

Thanks. I will start with 5mg and if it's not effective, I'll go up. Thanks all!

Vettester Chris · May 3, 2017

lw17 said:
I've been on HCG for about 6 months, and my erection quality over the past 2 weeks seems to have SIGNFICANTLY dropped. I get them sporadically, but they don't last and it's harder for me to get one on my own.

I recognize that this might be a problem with my dosage or another issue. I'm having bloodwork done to rectify the problem. But by the time I do that and see a doctor, it will be 2 weeks. In the meantime, can I take 5-10mg of Cialis along with my Pregnyl (HCG)? I understand that might not help me, but would it hurt to try Cialis while also taking my 3 doses of HCG a week? Is it OK to take while taking HCG?

Thanks!

That can be a good indicator that something is off with E2. Have you ran any labs?

As noted by others, it's perfectly fine to administer Cialis while on HCG. There's nothing counterproductive about the two compounds administered simultaneously.

CoastWatcher · May 3, 2017

Are you on TRT or HCG monotherapy?

lw17 · May 3, 2017

I haven't had any labs ran since late last year but just had some done today. Of course, the doctor only checked for testerone and one or two other things...

I should have my own labs ran. Why do you think E2 would just randomly drop or rise like that? It's not like I have hard nipples or anything.

lw17 · May 3, 2017

I'm not on TRT. I only take HCG for secondary hypogonadism

CoastWatcher · May 3, 2017

lw17 said:
I haven't had any labs ran since late last year but just had some done today. Of course, the doctor only checked for testerone and one or two other things...

I should have my own labs ran. Why do you think E2 would just randomly drop or rise like that? It's not like I have hard nipples or anything.

When you initiated therapy, at the time you were diagnosed, you surely ran complete labs? After all, to arrive at a diagnosis of secondary hypogonadism your LH and FSH had to me determined. What factors caused you to opt for HCG mono rather than testosterone replacement? A number of our members have tried it, but I don't recall too many success stories. Most of us with a secondary diagnosis either elect TRT or a Clomid restart (that choice depends on many factors).

As for estradiol rising or falling, many things can cause it. Don't diagnose it solely on the status of your nipples. Symptoms suggest, testing confirms or disproves their presence.

lw17 · May 4, 2017

CoastWatcher said:
When you initiated therapy, at the time you were diagnosed, you surely ran complete labs? After all, to arrive at a diagnosis of secondary hypogonadism your LH and FSH had to me determined. What factors caused you to opt for HCG mono rather than testosterone replacement? A number of our members have tried it, but I don't recall too many success stories. Most of us with a secondary diagnosis either elect TRT or a Clomid restart (that choice depends on many factors).

As for estradiol rising or falling, many things can cause it. Don't diagnose it solely on the status of your nipples. Symptoms suggest, testing confirms or disproves their presence.

These are my labs from the last quarter of last year after being on HCG for a bit. I'm young (22) and haven't taken any drugs or anything in the past that could've caused the HCG. I went to 2 doctors and both recommended HCG:

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[TH="class: bodyBold ccrItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabTest"]Test[/TH]
[TH="class: bodyBold th.LabCorpCCRItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabAbnormalFlag"]Low[/TH]
[TH="class: bodyBold th.LabCorpCCRItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabAbnormalFlag"]Normal[/TH]
[TH="class: bodyBold th.LabCorpCCRItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabAbnormalFlag"]High[/TH]
[TH="class: bodyBold th.LabCorpCCRItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabReferenceRange"]Reference Range[/TH]
[TH="class: bodyBold ccrItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabUnits"]Units[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: alternatingRow ccrItemText"]thyroxine (t4)[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"]7.5[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"]4.5-12.0[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow ccrItemText"]ug/dL[/TD]
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[/TD]
[/TR]
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thyroxine (t4) free, direct, s
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[TD="class: ccrCol1"]
[/TD]
[TD="class: ccrCol2"][TABLE="class: c650 CCRLabResultSubtable"]
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[TH="class: bodyBold ccrItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabTest"]Test[/TH]
[TH="class: bodyBold th.LabCorpCCRItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabAbnormalFlag"]Low[/TH]
[TH="class: bodyBold th.LabCorpCCRItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabAbnormalFlag"]Normal[/TH]
[TH="class: bodyBold th.LabCorpCCRItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabAbnormalFlag"]High[/TH]
[TH="class: bodyBold th.LabCorpCCRItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabReferenceRange"]Reference Range[/TH]
[TH="class: bodyBold ccrItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabUnits"]Units[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: alternatingRow ccrItemText"]t4,free(direct)[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"]1.12[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"]0.82-1.77[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow ccrItemText"]ng/dL[/TD]
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[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

triiodothyronine (t3)
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[TD="class: ccrCol1"]
[/TD]
[TD="class: ccrCol2"][TABLE="class: c650 CCRLabResultSubtable"]
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[TH="class: bodyBold ccrItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabTest"]Test[/TH]
[TH="class: bodyBold th.LabCorpCCRItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabAbnormalFlag"]Low[/TH]
[TH="class: bodyBold th.LabCorpCCRItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabAbnormalFlag"]Normal[/TH]
[TH="class: bodyBold th.LabCorpCCRItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabAbnormalFlag"]High[/TH]
[TH="class: bodyBold th.LabCorpCCRItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabReferenceRange"]Reference Range[/TH]
[TH="class: bodyBold ccrItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabUnits"]Units[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: alternatingRow ccrItemText"]triiodothyronine (t3)[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"]114[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"]71-180[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow ccrItemText"]ng/dL[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

tsh
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[TD="class: ccrCol1"]
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[TD="class: ccrCol2"][TABLE="class: c650 CCRLabResultSubtable"]
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[TH="class: bodyBold ccrItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabTest"]Test[/TH]
[TH="class: bodyBold th.LabCorpCCRItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabAbnormalFlag"]Low[/TH]
[TH="class: bodyBold th.LabCorpCCRItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabAbnormalFlag"]Normal[/TH]
[TH="class: bodyBold th.LabCorpCCRItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabAbnormalFlag"]High[/TH]
[TH="class: bodyBold th.LabCorpCCRItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabReferenceRange"]Reference Range[/TH]
[TH="class: bodyBold ccrItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabUnits"]Units[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: alternatingRow ccrItemText"]tsh[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"]1.930[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"]0.450-4.500[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow ccrItemText"]uIU/mL[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

luteinizing hormone(lh), s
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[TD="class: ccrCol1"]
[/TD]
[TD="class: ccrCol2"][TABLE="class: c650 CCRLabResultSubtable"]
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[TH="class: bodyBold ccrItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabTest"]Test[/TH]
[TH="class: bodyBold th.LabCorpCCRItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabAbnormalFlag"]Low[/TH]
[TH="class: bodyBold th.LabCorpCCRItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabAbnormalFlag"]Normal[/TH]
[TH="class: bodyBold th.LabCorpCCRItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabAbnormalFlag"]High[/TH]
[TH="class: bodyBold th.LabCorpCCRItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabReferenceRange"]Reference Range[/TH]
[TH="class: bodyBold ccrItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabUnits"]Units[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: alternatingRow ccrItemText"]lh[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"]2.4[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"]1.7-8.6[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow ccrItemText"]mIU/mL[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

fsh, serum
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[TD="class: ccrCol1"]
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[TD="class: ccrCol2"][TABLE="class: c650 CCRLabResultSubtable"]
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[TH="class: bodyBold th.LabCorpCCRItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabAbnormalFlag"]Low[/TH]
[TH="class: bodyBold th.LabCorpCCRItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabAbnormalFlag"]Normal[/TH]
[TH="class: bodyBold th.LabCorpCCRItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabAbnormalFlag"]High[/TH]
[TH="class: bodyBold th.LabCorpCCRItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabReferenceRange"]Reference Range[/TH]
[TH="class: bodyBold ccrItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabUnits"]Units[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: alternatingRow ccrItemText"]fsh[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"]2.8[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"]1.5-12.4[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow ccrItemText"]mIU/mL[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

thyroid peroxidase (tpo) ab
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[TD="class: ccrCol1"]
[/TD]
[TD="class: ccrCol2"][TABLE="class: c650 CCRLabResultSubtable"]
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[TH="class: bodyBold ccrItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabTest"]Test[/TH]
[TH="class: bodyBold th.LabCorpCCRItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabAbnormalFlag"]Low[/TH]
[TH="class: bodyBold th.LabCorpCCRItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabAbnormalFlag"]Normal[/TH]
[TH="class: bodyBold th.LabCorpCCRItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabAbnormalFlag"]High[/TH]
[TH="class: bodyBold th.LabCorpCCRItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabReferenceRange"]Reference Range[/TH]
[TH="class: bodyBold ccrItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabUnits"]Units[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: alternatingRow ccrItemText"]thyroid peroxidase (tpo) ab[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"]10[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"]0-34[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow ccrItemText"]IU/mL[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

cbc, platelet, no differential
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[TD="class: ccrCol1"]
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[TH="class: bodyBold th.LabCorpCCRItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabAbnormalFlag"]Low[/TH]
[TH="class: bodyBold th.LabCorpCCRItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabAbnormalFlag"]Normal[/TH]
[TH="class: bodyBold th.LabCorpCCRItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabAbnormalFlag"]High[/TH]
[TH="class: bodyBold th.LabCorpCCRItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabReferenceRange"]Reference Range[/TH]
[TH="class: bodyBold ccrItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabUnits"]Units[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: alternatingRow ccrItemText"]wbc[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"]8.1[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"]3.4-10.8[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow ccrItemText"]x10E3/uL[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: ccrItemText"]rbc[/TD]
[TD="class: LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: LabCorpCCRItemText"]5.21[/TD]
[TD="class: LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: LabCorpCCRItemText"]4.14-5.80[/TD]
[TD="class: ccrItemText"]x10E6/uL[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: alternatingRow ccrItemText"]hemoglobin[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"]15.1[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"]12.6-17.7[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow ccrItemText"]g/dL[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: ccrItemText"]hematocrit[/TD]
[TD="class: LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: LabCorpCCRItemText"]45.7[/TD]
[TD="class: LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: LabCorpCCRItemText"]37.5-51.0[/TD]
[TD="class: ccrItemText"]%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: alternatingRow ccrItemText"]mcv[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"]88[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"]79-97[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow ccrItemText"]fL[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: ccrItemText"]mch[/TD]
[TD="class: LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: LabCorpCCRItemText"]29.0[/TD]
[TD="class: LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: LabCorpCCRItemText"]26.6-33.0[/TD]
[TD="class: ccrItemText"]pg[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: alternatingRow ccrItemText"]mchc[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"]33.0[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"]31.5-35.7[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow ccrItemText"]g/dL[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: ccrItemText"]rdw[/TD]
[TD="class: LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: LabCorpCCRItemText"]13.4[/TD]
[TD="class: LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: LabCorpCCRItemText"]12.3-15.4[/TD]
[TD="class: ccrItemText"]%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: alternatingRow ccrItemText"]platelets[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"]243[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"]150-379[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow ccrItemText"]x10E3/uL[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

testosterone free ms/dialysis
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[TD="class: ccrCol1"]
[/TD]
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[TH="class: bodyBold ccrItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabTest"]Test[/TH]
[TH="class: bodyBold th.LabCorpCCRItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabAbnormalFlag"]Low[/TH]
[TH="class: bodyBold th.LabCorpCCRItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabAbnormalFlag"]Normal[/TH]
[TH="class: bodyBold th.LabCorpCCRItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabAbnormalFlag"]High[/TH]
[TH="class: bodyBold th.LabCorpCCRItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabReferenceRange"]Reference Range[/TH]
[TH="class: bodyBold ccrItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabUnits"]Units[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: alternatingRow ccrItemText"]testosterone, serum (total)[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"]609[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow ccrItemText"]ng/dL[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: ccrItemText"]% free testosterone (dialysis)[/TD]
[TD="class: LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: LabCorpCCRItemText"]1.9[/TD]
[TD="class: LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: ccrItemText"]%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: alternatingRow ccrItemText"]free testosterone, serum[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"]116[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow ccrItemText"]pg/mL[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

sex hormone binding globulin
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[TD="class: ccrCol1"]
[/TD]
[TD="class: ccrCol2"][TABLE="class: c650 CCRLabResultSubtable"]
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[TH="class: bodyBold ccrItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabTest"]Test[/TH]
[TH="class: bodyBold th.LabCorpCCRItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabAbnormalFlag"]Low[/TH]
[TH="class: bodyBold th.LabCorpCCRItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabAbnormalFlag"]Normal[/TH]
[TH="class: bodyBold th.LabCorpCCRItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabAbnormalFlag"]High[/TH]
[TH="class: bodyBold th.LabCorpCCRItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabReferenceRange"]Reference Range[/TH]
[TH="class: bodyBold ccrItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabUnits"]Units[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: alternatingRow ccrItemText"]sex hormone binding globulin[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"]27.4[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow ccrItemText"]nmol/L[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

vitamin d, 25-hydroxy
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[TD="class: ccrCol1"]
[/TD]
[TD="class: ccrCol2"][TABLE="class: c650 CCRLabResultSubtable"]
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[TH="class: bodyBold ccrItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabTest"]Test[/TH]
[TH="class: bodyBold th.LabCorpCCRItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabAbnormalFlag"]Low[/TH]
[TH="class: bodyBold th.LabCorpCCRItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabAbnormalFlag"]Normal[/TH]
[TH="class: bodyBold th.LabCorpCCRItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabAbnormalFlag"]High[/TH]
[TH="class: bodyBold th.LabCorpCCRItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabReferenceRange"]Reference Range[/TH]
[TH="class: bodyBold ccrItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabUnits"]Units[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: alternatingRow ccrItemText"]vitamin d, 25-hydroxy[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"]30.9[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"]30.0-100.0[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow ccrItemText"]ng/mL[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

triiodothyronine,free,serum
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[TD="class: ccrCol1"]
[/TD]
[TD="class: ccrCol2"][TABLE="class: c650 CCRLabResultSubtable"]
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[TH="class: bodyBold ccrItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabTest"]Test[/TH]
[TH="class: bodyBold th.LabCorpCCRItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabAbnormalFlag"]Low[/TH]
[TH="class: bodyBold th.LabCorpCCRItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabAbnormalFlag"]Normal[/TH]
[TH="class: bodyBold th.LabCorpCCRItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabAbnormalFlag"]High[/TH]
[TH="class: bodyBold th.LabCorpCCRItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabReferenceRange"]Reference Range[/TH]
[TH="class: bodyBold ccrItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabUnits"]Units[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: alternatingRow ccrItemText"]triiodothyronine,free,serum[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"]3.2[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"]2.0-4.4[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow ccrItemText"]pg/mL[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

DaveK22 · May 5, 2017

lw17 said:
I'm not on TRT. I only take HCG for secondary hypogonadism

I'd put money on it that the HCG monotherapy has shot your E2 through the roof, thus the ED problem. Of course only labs & your Doc can verify my theory. (When I did HCG mono my E2 shot into 90's)

CoastWatcher · May 5, 2017

lw17 said:
These are my labs from the last quarter of last year after being on HCG for a bit. I'm young (22) and haven't taken any drugs or anything in the past that could've caused the HCG. I went to 2 doctors and both recommended HCG:

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[TH="class: bodyBold ccrItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabTest"]Test[/TH]
[TH]Low[/TH]
[TH]Normal[/TH]
[TH]High[/TH]
[TH]Reference Range[/TH]
[TH="class: bodyBold ccrItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabUnits"]Units[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: alternatingRow ccrItemText"]thyroxine (t4)[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"]7.5[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"]4.5-12.0[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow ccrItemText"]ug/dL[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

thyroxine (t4) free, direct, s
[TABLE="class: noBottomMargin"]
[TR]
[TD="class: ccrCol1"][/TD]
[TD="class: ccrCol2"][TABLE="class: c650 CCRLabResultSubtable"]
[TR]
[TH="class: bodyBold ccrItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabTest"]Test[/TH]
[TH]Low[/TH]
[TH]Normal[/TH]
[TH]High[/TH]
[TH]Reference Range[/TH]
[TH="class: bodyBold ccrItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabUnits"]Units[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: alternatingRow ccrItemText"]t4,free(direct)[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"]1.12[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"]0.82-1.77[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow ccrItemText"]ng/dL[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

triiodothyronine (t3)
[TABLE="class: noBottomMargin"]
[TR]
[TD="class: ccrCol1"][/TD]
[TD="class: ccrCol2"][TABLE="class: c650 CCRLabResultSubtable"]
[TR]
[TH="class: bodyBold ccrItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabTest"]Test[/TH]
[TH]Low[/TH]
[TH]Normal[/TH]
[TH]High[/TH]
[TH]Reference Range[/TH]
[TH="class: bodyBold ccrItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabUnits"]Units[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: alternatingRow ccrItemText"]triiodothyronine (t3)[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"]114[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"]71-180[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow ccrItemText"]ng/dL[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

tsh
[TABLE="class: noBottomMargin"]
[TR]
[TD="class: ccrCol1"][/TD]
[TD="class: ccrCol2"][TABLE="class: c650 CCRLabResultSubtable"]
[TR]
[TH="class: bodyBold ccrItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabTest"]Test[/TH]
[TH]Low[/TH]
[TH]Normal[/TH]
[TH]High[/TH]
[TH]Reference Range[/TH]
[TH="class: bodyBold ccrItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabUnits"]Units[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: alternatingRow ccrItemText"]tsh[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"]1.930[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"]0.450-4.500[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow ccrItemText"]uIU/mL[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

luteinizing hormone(lh), s
[TABLE="class: noBottomMargin"]
[TR]
[TD="class: ccrCol1"][/TD]
[TD="class: ccrCol2"][TABLE="class: c650 CCRLabResultSubtable"]
[TR]
[TH="class: bodyBold ccrItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabTest"]Test[/TH]
[TH]Low[/TH]
[TH]Normal[/TH]
[TH]High[/TH]
[TH]Reference Range[/TH]
[TH="class: bodyBold ccrItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabUnits"]Units[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: alternatingRow ccrItemText"]lh[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"]2.4[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"]1.7-8.6[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow ccrItemText"]mIU/mL[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

fsh, serum
[TABLE="class: noBottomMargin"]
[TR]
[TD="class: ccrCol1"][/TD]
[TD="class: ccrCol2"][TABLE="class: c650 CCRLabResultSubtable"]
[TR]
[TH="class: bodyBold ccrItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabTest"]Test[/TH]
[TH]Low[/TH]
[TH]Normal[/TH]
[TH]High[/TH]
[TH]Reference Range[/TH]
[TH="class: bodyBold ccrItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabUnits"]Units[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: alternatingRow ccrItemText"]fsh[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"]2.8[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"]1.5-12.4[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow ccrItemText"]mIU/mL[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

thyroid peroxidase (tpo) ab
[TABLE="class: noBottomMargin"]
[TR]
[TD="class: ccrCol1"][/TD]
[TD="class: ccrCol2"][TABLE="class: c650 CCRLabResultSubtable"]
[TR]
[TH="class: bodyBold ccrItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabTest"]Test[/TH]
[TH]Low[/TH]
[TH]Normal[/TH]
[TH]High[/TH]
[TH]Reference Range[/TH]
[TH="class: bodyBold ccrItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabUnits"]Units[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: alternatingRow ccrItemText"]thyroid peroxidase (tpo) ab[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"]10[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"]0-34[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow ccrItemText"]IU/mL[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

cbc, platelet, no differential
[TABLE="class: noBottomMargin"]
[TR]
[TD="class: ccrCol1"][/TD]
[TD="class: ccrCol2"][TABLE="class: c650 CCRLabResultSubtable"]
[TR]
[TH="class: bodyBold ccrItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabTest"]Test[/TH]
[TH]Low[/TH]
[TH]Normal[/TH]
[TH]High[/TH]
[TH]Reference Range[/TH]
[TH="class: bodyBold ccrItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabUnits"]Units[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: alternatingRow ccrItemText"]wbc[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"]8.1[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"]3.4-10.8[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow ccrItemText"]x10E3/uL[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: ccrItemText"]rbc[/TD]
[TD="class: LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: LabCorpCCRItemText"]5.21[/TD]
[TD="class: LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: LabCorpCCRItemText"]4.14-5.80[/TD]
[TD="class: ccrItemText"]x10E6/uL[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: alternatingRow ccrItemText"]hemoglobin[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"]15.1[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"]12.6-17.7[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow ccrItemText"]g/dL[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: ccrItemText"]hematocrit[/TD]
[TD="class: LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: LabCorpCCRItemText"]45.7[/TD]
[TD="class: LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: LabCorpCCRItemText"]37.5-51.0[/TD]
[TD="class: ccrItemText"]%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: alternatingRow ccrItemText"]mcv[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"]88[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"]79-97[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow ccrItemText"]fL[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: ccrItemText"]mch[/TD]
[TD="class: LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: LabCorpCCRItemText"]29.0[/TD]
[TD="class: LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: LabCorpCCRItemText"]26.6-33.0[/TD]
[TD="class: ccrItemText"]pg[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: alternatingRow ccrItemText"]mchc[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"]33.0[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"]31.5-35.7[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow ccrItemText"]g/dL[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: ccrItemText"]rdw[/TD]
[TD="class: LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: LabCorpCCRItemText"]13.4[/TD]
[TD="class: LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: LabCorpCCRItemText"]12.3-15.4[/TD]
[TD="class: ccrItemText"]%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: alternatingRow ccrItemText"]platelets[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"]243[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"]150-379[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow ccrItemText"]x10E3/uL[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

testosterone free ms/dialysis
[TABLE="class: noBottomMargin"]
[TR]
[TD="class: ccrCol1"][/TD]
[TD="class: ccrCol2"][TABLE="class: c650 CCRLabResultSubtable"]
[TR]
[TH="class: bodyBold ccrItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabTest"]Test[/TH]
[TH]Low[/TH]
[TH]Normal[/TH]
[TH]High[/TH]
[TH]Reference Range[/TH]
[TH="class: bodyBold ccrItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabUnits"]Units[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: alternatingRow ccrItemText"]testosterone, serum (total)[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"]609[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow ccrItemText"]ng/dL[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: ccrItemText"]% free testosterone (dialysis)[/TD]
[TD="class: LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: LabCorpCCRItemText"]1.9[/TD]
[TD="class: LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: ccrItemText"]%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: alternatingRow ccrItemText"]free testosterone, serum[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"]116[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow ccrItemText"]pg/mL[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

sex hormone binding globulin
[TABLE="class: noBottomMargin"]
[TR]
[TD="class: ccrCol1"][/TD]
[TD="class: ccrCol2"][TABLE="class: c650 CCRLabResultSubtable"]
[TR]
[TH="class: bodyBold ccrItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabTest"]Test[/TH]
[TH]Low[/TH]
[TH]Normal[/TH]
[TH]High[/TH]
[TH]Reference Range[/TH]
[TH="class: bodyBold ccrItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabUnits"]Units[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: alternatingRow ccrItemText"]sex hormone binding globulin[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"]27.4[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow ccrItemText"]nmol/L[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

vitamin d, 25-hydroxy
[TABLE="class: noBottomMargin"]
[TR]
[TD="class: ccrCol1"][/TD]
[TD="class: ccrCol2"][TABLE="class: c650 CCRLabResultSubtable"]
[TR]
[TH="class: bodyBold ccrItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabTest"]Test[/TH]
[TH]Low[/TH]
[TH]Normal[/TH]
[TH]High[/TH]
[TH]Reference Range[/TH]
[TH="class: bodyBold ccrItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabUnits"]Units[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: alternatingRow ccrItemText"]vitamin d, 25-hydroxy[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"]30.9[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"]30.0-100.0[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow ccrItemText"]ng/mL[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

triiodothyronine,free,serum
[TABLE="class: noBottomMargin"]
[TR]
[TD="class: ccrCol1"][/TD]
[TD="class: ccrCol2"][TABLE="class: c650 CCRLabResultSubtable"]
[TR]
[TH="class: bodyBold ccrItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabTest"]Test[/TH]
[TH]Low[/TH]
[TH]Normal[/TH]
[TH]High[/TH]
[TH]Reference Range[/TH]
[TH="class: bodyBold ccrItemHeader LabCorpCCRViewer_LabUnits"]Units[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: alternatingRow ccrItemText"]triiodothyronine,free,serum[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"]3.2[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"][/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow LabCorpCCRItemText"]2.0-4.4[/TD]
[TD="class: alternatingRow ccrItemText"]pg/mL[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

I don't see your estradiol results. That is a critical value and may well explain what is going on. Do you have a recent e2 result?

lw17 · May 5, 2017

Thank you for your help and suggestion. None of the 3 doctors I have been to have ever checked for estradiol. I believe you, but it's crazy that it would shoot up like that since it must've been OK for the 6 months of being on HCG. I will take matters into my own hands and get it checked out with Discounted Labs. Is there anything else I should check for while I'm at it?

Thankfully, the Cialis appears to be working as a good temporary bandaid until the actual problem is resolved.

CoastWatcher · May 5, 2017

lw17 said:
Thank you for your help and suggestion. None of the 3 doctors I have been to have ever checked for estradiol. I believe you, but it's crazy that it would shoot up like that since it must've been OK for the 6 months of being on HCG. I will take matters into my own hands and get it checked out with Discounted Labs. Is there anything else I should check for while I'm at it?

Thankfully, the Cialis appears to be working as a good temporary bandaid until the actual problem is resolved.

Be sure to test with the sensitive estradiol test. The fact that your doctors haven't checked it raises questions about the care you are receiving. It's a key hormone to monitor, not to be afraid of, but to be aware of and manage.

lw17 · May 5, 2017

Will do. Many thanks for your help.

Just out of curiosity, what can be done if the HCG is making the estradiol too artificially high/low? Would I need to try another treatment method?

Thanks again.