DHT way too high

PetrolHead · Nov 10, 2015

hello there.i am 18 years old. i am using sustanon 250 since march but,since july-august i am using it e3w. i must use it until december-january.i decided to request a blood test on my own to see how i am doing. but DHT is way too high in results. DHT test wasnt available the hospital i went for blood test, so they sent blood sample to another private lab. btw i never got measured DHT before.

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[TD]Free T3[/TD]
[TD="class: N"]3.34[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]pg/mL[/TD]
[TD] N(2.56 - 5.01)[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: liste0, bgcolor: #E7EFF3"]
[TD]Free T4[/TD]
[TD="class: N"]1.09[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]ng/dL[/TD]
[TD] N(0.89 - 1.76)[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: liste0, bgcolor: #E7EFF3"]
[TD]TSH[/TD]
[TD="class: N"]1.399[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]µIU/mL[/TD]
[TD] N(0.7 - 6.4)[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: numuneZaman"]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: liste0, bgcolor: #E7EFF3"]
[TD]Estradiol[/TD]
[TD="class: N"]36[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]pg/mL[/TD]
[TD] ()[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: liste0, bgcolor: #E7EFF3"]
[TD]FSH[/TD]
[TD="class: L"]< 0.05[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]mIU/mL[/TD]
[TD] L(0.7 - 11.1)[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD]LH[/TD]
[TD="class: L"]0.01[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]mIU/mL[/TD]
[TD] L(0.1 - 6)[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD]Total Testosterone[/TD]
[TD="class: N"]4.84[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]ng/mL[/TD]
[TD] N(2.41 - 8.27)[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD]Ferritin[/TD]
[TD="class: N"]82.85[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]ng/mL[/TD]
[TD] N(36 - 311)[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: liste0, bgcolor: #E7EFF3"]
[TD]Vitamin B12[/TD]
[TD="class: N"]340[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]pg/mL[/TD]
[TD] N(187 - 883)[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: liste0, bgcolor: #E7EFF3"]
[TD]25-OH Vitamin D[/TD]
[TD="class: N"]76.3[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]ng/mL[/TD]
[TD] ()[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: numuneZaman"]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: liste0, bgcolor: #E7EFF3"]
[TD]IGF-1 +[/TD]
[TD="class: H"]489[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]ng/mL[/TD]
[TD]H(141 - 483)[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

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[TD]Private Lab[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
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[TR="class: numuneZaman"]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
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[TD]Dihydrotestosterone (DHT) +[/TD]
[TD="class: H"]364.2[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]ng/dL[/TD]
[TD] H()[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

according to most sites DHT ranges 250 to 990 pg/mL. since 1 ng/dL is equal to 10 pg/mL, the range in ng/dL is 25-99.

1 week before blood test, i took 300k IU Vit D ampoule. i dont know if this result is true or not, because i dont see any benefits of it.

what do you people think?

PetrolHead · Nov 10, 2015

i mean is it even possible to have this level of DHT? with that Total Testosterone level?

Nelson Vergel · Nov 10, 2015

Are you taking any anabolic steroids orally or by injection?

PetrolHead · Nov 10, 2015

Nelson Vergel said:
Are you taking any anabolic steroids orally or by injection?

no. i just use sustanon 250 e3w. blood taken 9 days after last injection. i think its a false result because i dont feel different since i started sustanon 250. still no morning erections, nearly no facial hair etc. i will call the lab later but if its true will it indicate any other problem?

Vince Carter · Nov 10, 2015

I'd test again to rule out lab error or a fluke test result. I'm just learning about DHT myself, curious that your TT is below mid lab values but the DHT is just off the chart. I'm not sure how sustenon250 works to be honest.

PetrolHead · Nov 10, 2015

Vince Carter said:
I'd test again to rule out lab error or a fluke test result. I'm just learning about DHT myself, curious that your TT is below mid lab values but the DHT is just off the chart. I'm not sure how sustenon250 works to be honest.

i will re-test it if its available at another hospital. probably its an error because i shoulda be a gorilla or something with that DHT level... lol

Nelson Vergel · Nov 10, 2015

I would not restest DHT. Sustanon 250 and the fact that you are young can result in a DHT value like yours.

Is there anyway you can get testosterone cypionate or enanthate and inject weekly at 100-200 mg instead of Sustanon 250 every 3 weeks? Does your Sustanon 250 come in ampules?

PetrolHead · Nov 10, 2015

Nelson Vergel said:
I would not restest DHT. Sustanon 250 and the fact that you are young can result in a DHT value like yours.

Is there anyway you can get testosterone cypionate or enanthate and inject weekly at 100-200 mg instead of Sustanon 250 every 3 weeks? Does your Sustanon 250 come in ampules?

in here no enanthate or cypionate officially available. only sustanon and nebido (testosterone undecanoate 1000 mg) are available.

if this result is correct, then why i do not experience any benefits of it? i mean it even doesnt effect on morning erections. i dont see much improvement on my facial hair and fat distrubition. i dont even see much effect on my general well being.

it comes mild androgen resistance syndrome to my mind but, these results kinda eliminated it because of non-detectable levels of gonadotropins after testosterone administration. as i can see patients with MAIS, even with 400-500 mg testosterone injections weekly, their HPT axis are non-suppressable.

and my pre-TRT are not compatible with MAIS, i had low normal testosterone and low gonadotropins, but patients with MAIS they have high testosterone and high gonadotropins. still i am not a doctor or something but these are my opinions on myself.

things on my mind now;

1) lab error. false result, test it again.
2) result is correct and i have some kind of resistance, insensitivity to DHT?
3) result is correct, no resistance to DHT, but it simply takes time to improve

Nelson Vergel · Nov 10, 2015

What I am trying to tell you is that you are underdosing your testosterone. You will not improve any androgenic characteristics with a suboptimal dose. Your DHT is Ok for the 199 TT you have. The reason you seem "DHT insensitive" is because you do not have healthy T levels with your dosing schedule.

I would increase the dosing frequency to at least once per week (100 mg to start).

P.S.: For those who do not know what MAIS is

Mild androgen insensitivity syndrome

PetrolHead · Nov 10, 2015

Nelson Vergel said:
What I am trying to tell you is that you are underdosing your testosterone. You will not improve any androgenic characteristics with a suboptimal dose. Your DHT is Ok for the 199 TT you have. The reason you seem "DHT insensitive" is because you do not have healthy T levels with your dosing schedule.

I would increase the dosing frequency to at least once per week (100 mg to start).

yes i know you are right but i must stick to this e3w at least 1-2 months. i am currently with an endo. dosages like mines, can actually stimulate HPT axis, especially on younger people. 1-2 months because i have an appointment in 1-2 months.

i am actually not happy about this schedule because i dont see any difference, any improvement. and i feel depressed about it. it really hurts doing something when you know its already wrong.

CoastWatcher · Nov 10, 2015

What do you mean when you write that "doses like mine can actually stimulate the HPT axis, especially in younger people"?

Nelson Vergel · Nov 10, 2015

I am as surprised as CoastWatcher about that statement. I think you have been given erroneous information. Look at your LH and FSH. They are completely suppressed even at a sub optimal dose and frequency.

PetrolHead · Nov 10, 2015

CoastWatcher said:
What do you mean when you write that "doses like mine can actually stimulate the HPT axis, especially in younger people"?

i have read it before. for example testicular development is seen in some patients with hypogonadotropic hypogonadism, while only receiving TRT dosages like test. en./cyp. 200 mg e3w. testicular development means increased gonadotropins, and it means their HPT axis starts.

PetrolHead · Nov 10, 2015

Nelson Vergel said:
I am as surprised as CoastWatcher about that statement. I think you have been given erroneous information. Look at your LH and FSH. They are completely suppressed even at a sub optimal dose and frequency.

yes i know but it was on day 9. i will retest just before injection day to see what is happening.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kallmann_syndrome

Reversible KS/HH[SUP][15][/SUP][SUP][16]
[/SUP]"This type of KS/HH will appear to be the classic lifelong form at first but at some point in adult life the HPG axis resumes its normal function and GnRH, LH, and FSH levels return to normal levels. Has only been shown to occur in 10% of cases, primarily KS cases rather than HH cases and only found in patients who have undergone some form of testosterone replacement therapy. It is only normally discovered when testicular volume increases while on testosterone treatment alone and testosterone levels return to normal when treatment is stopped.
This type of KS/HH rarely occurs in cases where males have had a history of un-descended testes and/or micropenis and has been shown to be caused by monoallelic mutations."

i mean i dont say it will %100 work on me. but i need to consult with doc about me. to consult with him i should wait 1 or 2 months more. he may help me later, i dont want to miss this shot. if nothing happens i already will do different schedule. i am aware of that.

Vince Carter · Nov 10, 2015

its going to be zero unless you stop the Exo T and give it at least 10days to reboot. You can't take T of any kind and think that your onboard production or HPT, etc is still viable.

PetrolHead · Nov 11, 2015

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[TR="class: liste0, bgcolor: #E7EFF3"]
[TD]Free Testosterone[/TD]
[TD="class: N"]22.67[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]pg/mL[/TD]
[TD] N(0,72 - 31,6)[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

this result came out today. its also from the private lab.

i think DHT value is probably a typo. 364.2 instead 36.42 ng/dL. with 36.42 ng/dL it makes more sense.

i already need to retest lh,fsh,tt and e2 one day before next injection. will also ask about DHT, probably they will offer to retest DHT also.

i still dont believe its correct because DHT is more potent than testosterone. maybe low testosterone and upper-high in range DHT may not enough for androgenic purposes, but something like 360 ng/dL would mean something.

Vince Carter · Nov 11, 2015

You're wasting money testing LH and FSH at this point.

PetrolHead · Nov 11, 2015

Vince Carter said:
You're wasting money testing LH and FSH at this point.

the only thing i "waste" is my blood. i can do these tests for free. i just ask a doc to test whatever i want.

Nelson Vergel · Nov 11, 2015

Petrohead

I really do not think you are getting what we are saying. It almost seems like you are having a monologue with yourself.

Did you understand that any testosterone dose will suppress your LH and FSH? I also do not get how you were diagnosed with MAIS. Can you elaborate?

PetrolHead · Nov 11, 2015

Nelson Vergel said:
Petrohead

I really do not think you are getting what we are saying. It almost seems like you are having a monologue with yourself.

Did you understand that any testosterone dose will suppress your LH and FSH? I also do not get how you were diagnosed with MAIS. Can you elaborate?

i didnt get diagnosed with it. i just was suspicious about it and after this blood result i eliminated it.