Thought I would follow up on this thread. I did a little experiment with enclomiphene and a small amount of hcg every week. I used approx 12.5 mg enclomiphene a day and 1 250 iu shot of hcg a week. I did this for 5 weeks. My total test before starting was 470 and my free test (accurate dialysis version) was 81. After the 5 weeks, I took bloods and waited 6 days after the last 250 iu hcg shot to not have that be the main factor and my total test was 869 and free test was 148..so a big jump. I think the 1 hcg shot weekly helped with libido since it was quite strong and morning erections were very frequent. Overall I felt well . I gained a little bit of muscle and lost some fat and my weight stayed about the same. No real water retention either. However, my hematocrit rose to 50.6 and hemoglobin was 17.2. In december my hematocrit was only 45.9 and hemoglobin was at 15.7.
This was surprising to me. I wouldn't have thought the enclomiphene would have raised hematocrit so much or the 1 250 iu shot of hcg a week. I hadn't planned on staying on enclomiphene for a long time. I think it's not a good idea for a long term solution. So, I then switched to doing some fast ester shots such as TNE combined with test propionate. So, most days test no ester (oil based)10 mg with 5 mg propionate for 15 mg total. I am trying to have less hpta suppression by using fast esters. Ideally, if I receive it soon, I am going to take a test undecoanate cap twice a day along with a test no ester inject. This short action might be a better version of the Natesto protocol. The rise and fall of these compounds should not be as supressive as steady state long esters. 5 days I do the exogenous test and two days hcg 250 iu..6 mg a week of aromasin. I have been on this for about 3 weeks and also feel well with good libido..although I have woken up a few nights and found it hard to get back to sleep.
I will do some bloods this friday to see where hematocrit is . I have a theory that alternating between the injections for say 5 weeks or so and then the enclomiphene protocol..make prevent me from seeing that phase many seem to go through where their TRT is no longer giving them good libido..etc. I know most believe in the "dialed in" concept..but I am trying to keep hpta and testicular signaling at a somewhat decent level. I will follow up in a few weeks and report my findings.
This was surprising to me. I wouldn't have thought the enclomiphene would have raised hematocrit so much or the 1 250 iu shot of hcg a week. I hadn't planned on staying on enclomiphene for a long time. I think it's not a good idea for a long term solution. So, I then switched to doing some fast ester shots such as TNE combined with test propionate. So, most days test no ester (oil based)10 mg with 5 mg propionate for 15 mg total. I am trying to have less hpta suppression by using fast esters. Ideally, if I receive it soon, I am going to take a test undecoanate cap twice a day along with a test no ester inject. This short action might be a better version of the Natesto protocol. The rise and fall of these compounds should not be as supressive as steady state long esters. 5 days I do the exogenous test and two days hcg 250 iu..6 mg a week of aromasin. I have been on this for about 3 weeks and also feel well with good libido..although I have woken up a few nights and found it hard to get back to sleep.
I will do some bloods this friday to see where hematocrit is . I have a theory that alternating between the injections for say 5 weeks or so and then the enclomiphene protocol..make prevent me from seeing that phase many seem to go through where their TRT is no longer giving them good libido..etc. I know most believe in the "dialed in" concept..but I am trying to keep hpta and testicular signaling at a somewhat decent level. I will follow up in a few weeks and report my findings.
