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I do have an unopened vial of Cyp at my disposal... maybe going to a 50/50 or 60/40 Prop/Cyp blend could work with a night time protocol...

The last lab test (15mg Prop ed/sq) at 4hr peak TT 1312 (280-1100) & FT 321 (47-244) and 24 hr trough TT 624 & FT 172..... When I run Cyp as opposed to Prop my FT doesn't spike as high at peak and drops 50% or more at trough .... not too mention I feel like crap running steady levels on Cyp...

That's my entire point of chasing my tail... I've never ran anything supra-physiologic.... I've always ran doses that kept me within various ranges of the established labs and at times my FT ran higher due to the low SHBG. I've mostly ran low and moderate dosing throughout my entire time of...

As you know I've tested my Prop levels recently at the 4hr (11 am): 1300, 10hr (5pm): 1000 and 24hr (7am): 600 *protocol: Prop 15mg ed/sq, Inject 7am If the normal diurnal pattern for Testoseterone for men is peaking in Morning and falling throughout the day into the night... then wondering...

Yeah, I would be afraid to try being that high for even just a week or two....

1.5 grains of Armour Thyroid put my Tsh at 1.56 (ideal between 1.0 and 2.0).. also, another benefit to Armour (NDT) is that it greatly helps my lipid profile and raises my SHBG. Only other issue I could possibly think my issue is adrenal exhaustion... I did have sleep study and I do have Sleep...

Are you on UGL or doctor prescribed? As you know, I am currently on Prop (15mg ED/SQ) I peak at 1300 and trough at 600 (would seem perfect of paper), however, recently I had a set back... Out of the blue last week I was getting insanely tired during the day, like literally almost falling...

Like many of my brothers on this forum I/we have been struggling to get dialed in on TRT..... and the thought process has usual been to try to replicate the normal levels/diurnal rhythm of the body to maintain peak homeostasis, however, even with seemingly normal Total/Free T, E levels, etc.. we...

SHBG was 15 at 4hr and 18 at 24hr..... Libido is decent and no issues performing... been on this current Prop protocol since March 2023 (about 3 months)....

Based on my most recent lab blood work testing at 4 hr post, 10 hr post and 24 hr post/trough with Prop @ 15mg/ed SQ.... I am happy and feel I am in the best position that I'm ever gonna be in with TRT at this point. I don't believe it's coincidence that my sleep is slowly improving especially...

I use my local GP doctor for TRT and she orders through Empower Pharmacy.

I felt like absolute crap when I was on Cyp... I think my levels were way too steady throughout the day and night on Cyp and I believe it was a big factor to my sleep issues and not too mention I was retaining alot of water. Since making the commitment to Prop the water weight has...

At Empower Pharmacy I pay about $60 for 10ml of Prop, actually $48 after military discount...

If you are going to run Prop then you need to do ED injections...... the Peak and troughs are too extreme for EOD or 3x wk injects.... this could be the reason why your libido isn't solid, because your trough is extremely low from your peak. I am currently on Prop @ 15mg SQ ED and my numbers...

Nope... they may have been too small of dosing....

Yup..... I tried both DHEA, Pregnenolone and Progesterone. Too much DHEA shoots my E2 high, Pregnenolone @ 12.5-25mg bloats the crap out me immediately (my stomach looks like a puffer fish) and I think I used too much progesterone (30mg) as it made my penis kind of numb and left me very tired...

Since starting TRT 10 plus years ago I always had trouble falling asleep and staying asleep... I became dependent on Ambien over this time which isn't good with the negative effects of Ambien on brain function and Alzheimer's issues (Ambien helped me fall asleep but doesn't keep me asleep)...

You hit the nail on the head.... the Trade offs with trying to improve one thing and then causing problems for others. For me, I have been on straight Cyp for about 85% of the time I have been on TRT (2xWK, E3D, EOD, ED injects w/ IM and SQ @ 8mg, 10mg, 12mg, 15mg, 20mg, 25mg doses.... still...

No disrespect, but do you really think those suggestions you made are really game changers (the holy grail) for majority of us when it comes to sleep? I already eat healthy/nutritional foods, have a complete dark room with no sunlight getting in, I take magnesium, melatonan, ashwughanda (lower...

IMHO, the cognition issues associated with TRT are due to sleep deprivation (lack of deep/REM) sleep. It affects all facets of life, ie.... cognition, cns, energy, etc... I agree with @readalot with what he has stated previously regarding T amounts.... I don't think it matters..... I tried...

So I've been on the 50/50 Prop/Cyp mix for about 6 days and although it's way too early to report any substantive benefits I have noticed better strength, lessoning water retention, more muscle fullness and slightly more energy. but...... as of tomorrow I am changing my ratio to increase the...

My doctor reordered me Propionate @ 100mg/ml from Empower and I already have new unopened Cyp @ 200mg/ml.... I am going to be trying a 50/50 ratio of Cyp/Prop @ 15mg = 11.4 pure test. Since I inject ED, I really don't see the need to load my body with Cyp esters which makes me carry...

Maybe larger daily doses might be better for low SHBG. I'm on 20mg Cyp ED/SQ, but maybe I should bump higher to 25 or 30 for trial run... but then my E2 and DHT would sky rocket probably...

Taking Thyroid meds raises SHBG and improves lipids.

It depends.... Sometimes when I wake up at 2 or 3 then I'm up no matter what... Sometimes when I wake up at 2 or 3, I may be able to fall back asleep but it is all broken the rest of the way (waking up every hour there after)... If I wake up at 2-3 and go to the bathroom, I can't have any...

Yeah, it really sucks... The sleep issues are making it tough...

NOPE! My sleep is so screwed up.... If I don't use Ambien to fall asleep then I'm up into the late late night... and If I do manage to fall asleep I'm always waking up at 2 or 3am.... I started taking ashwagandha root about 2 weeks ago to help lower night time cortisol but I haven't really...

I tried going low dose Cypionate @ 12mg ED/SQ and here were my results.... I believe they seem too low for trough compared with the labs I posted with Cyp @ 20mg ED/SQ on my post #105)... and I'm wondering if I should move to a low dose 50Cyp/50Prop blend or a 70Cyp/30Prop blend? Component...

Yeah, I've tried preg, prog cream, dhea and had levels tested... I have some threads floating around where I posted labs. Never felt any positive benefits and the only negatives were sky rocketed E2 from the DHEA and bloating which I think came from both Preg/Dhea.... I'm currently back...

Couldn't really tell the difference on either because my sleep is so bad .... I have literally been sleep deprived the entire 12 plus years I have been on TRT.

I ran PROP ED/SQ @ 15mg for 3 months... below is my blood work 10hr post inject and 24hr trough..... and I also ran Cyp/Prop blend and also posted labs below.... Test Prop @ 15mg ED/SQ (10hr Post-inject) Testosterone, Male 1,199.2 ng/dL 280.0-1,100.0 ng/dL H Sex Hormone Binding...