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Can you share the protocol? Thanks.

Wow. 60mg once a week? What were your levels like when you started? I am wondering if guys with decent low levels need less than guys with terribly low low levels.

@sh1973 . Resurrecting to see if you stuck with it and found success at a lower dose?

After just 4 days, I am stopping. I tried morning, night, and my mood tanked, really bad. I am willing to try it again, but not right now. I appreciate all of y'alls input. @Vince , thanks for always replying to my posts. This is a learning journey. I'm going back to my doc to look at our...

@Nelson Vergel . Also curious, why 7 Keto DHEA over regular DHEA?

Ok, very helpful. I’m the OP. I’m 45 years old. I don’t know what else to do. Trying everything natural before pinning.

Wow. You look amazing. And only 100mg weekly. What time of day do you take your 7 Keto DHEA?

Started DHEA 3 nights ago. Only 10mg. The first two nights I slept well; my Oura ring showed great dep sleep. Last night I had trouble falling asleep and this morning my Deep Sleep was crap. Wondering if I should switch to mornings when taking my DHEA. I've read it's morning or night for...

@Harley How did you go with your DHEA supplementation?

I'm doing a pre-TRT protocal to get my levels up naturally before looking at TRT options. My doc suggested a few things, one being 25mg of DHEA nightly for 4-6 weeks as my E2 and DHEA were a bit on the low side: ESTRADIOL 17 < OR = 39 pg/mL IG DHEA SULFATE 148 61-442 mcg/dL He said to take it...

I'm 5'10, 180 lbs, about 18% BF, workout 4 days a week using upper/lower split. I sleep well overall. I have an Oura Ring and I usually get good REM sleep, and about 4 out of 7 days a week I get good enough Deep Sleep. I have been taking cold showers for almost a month now and I find that's...

I won't share all my labs, but just the ones my doc and I are looking at and his suggested protocol for your feedback. Protocol for the next 4-6 weeks B12:500-1000 mcg per day. Sublingual no later than 12pm I am experimenting first with the right kind of B12. 1000 mcg of Methyl is too much...

What kind of B12?

Good read. So If the methyl form I take at 1000mcg makes me tired, I’m gonna have to experiment with some of the other versions.

So I got some labs back that show the following: IRON, TOTAL 93 50-180 mcg/dL FERRITIN 93 38-380 ng/mL VITAMIN B12 391 200-1100 pg/mL IG HOMOCYSTEINE 8.8 <11.4 umol/L My wellness doc would like to see my B12 numbers increase and he suggested supplementing with B12. So I used Pure...

Noted. ...What I've read so far on nasal gel & enclomiphene is that it worked well for up to a few weeks, then it did not, on average of what I read. Most went back to shots. I'm meeting with my doc today to discuss options.

My understanding of Natesto is the studies they've done show that it doesn't negatively affect normal testicular function like injections or the once daily gels, so you don't need additional meds like clomid or hcg. He said since it's a low dose 3x a day your system isn't flooded with abnormal...

Bump. With my Free T, Bioavailable T, and E2 being on the lowend/cusp, I'm giving substantial thought to starting TRT. I'm talking to a functional wellness doc who focuses on wellness about it.

Whatever came out of this?

Curious what you guys think of these numbers. I tried to edit/update my first message, but I can't for some reason. Here's a fuller panel: TESTOSTERONE, TOTAL, MALES (ADULT), IA 441 (250-827 ng/dL) ALBUMIN 4.0 (3.6-5.1 g/dL IG ) SEX HORMONE BINDING GLOBULIN 32 (10-50 nmol/L IG) TESTOSTERONE...

Just got some updated labs from Quest. 45 y/o. TESTOSTERONE, TOTAL, MALES (ADULT), IA 441 (250-827 ng/dL) ALBUMIN 4.0 (3.6-5.1 g/dL IG ) SEX HORMONE BINDING GLOBULIN 32 (10-50 nmol/L IG) TESTOSTERONE, FREE 62.1 (46.0-224.0 pg/mL) TESTOSTERONE,BIOAVAILABLE 114.1 (110.0-575.0 ng/dL) VITAMIN...

Thanks, @Vince ! I did read that but still unsure of my Free PSA of 0.2 is good or not so good.

NOT on TRT, and my levels are in 'normal' range. But got my PSA scores and I have a family history, so was wondering if I should be concerned. I'm 45. Dad had his cut out in 2010, is 80, still cancer free. I'm looking into TRT, but don't want to pull the trigger just yet. PSA (FREE AND...

What do you suggest doing to find out if there are heart issues? Stress test? EKG? Thanks.

I've read some folks had great results after a few weeks of continued use, but then things went south pretty bad & they had to stop or lower the dosage and schedule to EOD or once a week, etc. Keep us posted.

Intrigued. Wellbutrin did not work for me either.

I"m sorry to hear you're struggling, but glad you posted. I'm keen to follow your journey & see how you can get back on track and many of the folks here are very knowledgeable & should be able to guide you accordingly. Hang in there.

Bump.

Great post! ...I never really thought apnea could be a factor, but it may be something I look into. ...I agree to try everything before taking the plunge. I'm working with a functional medicine doc that focuses on hormone optimization along with nutrition & lifestyle. He said we may try some...

Sleep has been ok. No meds. Just OTC stuff like C, D3/K2, Boron, occasionally maca and Tongat Ali, zinc, magnesium, etc, etc. I'm probably 18%BF. I could maybe work on that, but to most, I'm considered athletic & well built. I just moved homes. Doing more contract work vs. FTE, so that's...

Good info. ...The pressure is me putting it on myself, and somewhat from my girlfriend.