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Very well could be & I do believe variation in hormones is needed for some men to get strong libido. I’ve went down that path went adding variations with daily creams and different stuff in general. Never landed with anything positive. If I could just get some mental flow going, some...

I know that I’m mentally flat on trt. Like, no mental motivation from adderall l, no excitement at all. Added hcg to fix this bc it sounds the neruo pathways not flowing. I’m just curious how long it can take for a libido boost to come along from hcg. After being shutdown a year. I’m not...

“For some men, the mental effects are energizing and positive, while others experience anxiety, agitation, and overall poorer mood.” Any idea if the anxiety/agitation is directly related to e2 being raised or if it’s just the side effect of hcg. Also, if the later, would the side effects go...

Yeah, I’ve been back and forth with noticing it over the years. Only way I could tell the difference between low/high e2. Is being emotional on high e2. I’m on an extremely low dose right now 30mg per month. Adding in 1 variable and then waiting 6-8 weeks if possible to gauge how I feel. Right...

Very low dose of Primobolan to help control e2.

Not on any statins. Total cholesterol 155 (100-199 range) HDL 27 (>39 range) VLDL 16 (5-40 range) LDL 117 (0-99 range) Not sure if I’m low enough to where it would be noticeable. Was sort of curious in general.

Curious of something. If you’re taking hcg to help keep those hormone pathways flowing from LH but your hdl cholesterol is low. Does this reduce how effective in turn the hcg is having results for you mentally?

Defy should of told you they would send it to optum pharmacy and they could fill it for you for $120. They give you the option of optum or a local pharmacy.

You’re correct. I definitely typed that up wrong. Brain fog has been horrid for me today. Thanks for the pointing that out.

Interesting, bc usually you hear higher shbg folks would benefit from more frequent injections since your system is going through that testosterone quicker.

About to find out here in a few weeks. It will be my first time using Pregnyl vs compounded. Yeah, I’ve definitely felt worse on trt rather than I do now. But I’m not gonna stick with this routine forever. Just not gonna pay for medication to make me feel lesser than what I was without it...

Interesting, didn’t realize there was a type of hcg that wasn’t ideal for trt. Just thought there was the brand names then the compounded versions. When you say you feel better like what changed between the two? Notice a difference in libido or brain fog being lifted?

I believe you are right. I feel like I’m so close yet so far. Numbers look great but not having the benefit of them is hard to deal with, especially after 3 years of searching. I did that recently with trying to swap to subq only even though my numbers came back perfect on IM before that and...

Yeah, honestly I believe I was grasping for another approach that probably won’t work. However this did get me thinking. Gonna go ahead and delete this thread. Edit: Jk, can’t find a delete post option.

That’s true. I did try that about about 2 years ago. Did daily cream every morning with cyp as the base to keep levels good. Didn’t notice any difference. However you made me think that I never tried that while also having hcg as well. I had a journal I was using to keep track of everything for...

Just got my levels back and again they are perfect. Traveling and typing this on my phone so not gonna go through and copy paste everything regarding bloodwork but even my docs at Defy agree everything is spot on. After trying subq, daily injections and all other different methods the only...

Yeah I’ve seen that as well. I didn’t use prop it I tried daily test cream along with the test enth which gave a daily variation but no difference. I’ve tried all of DHEA, preg, progesterone separately. I’m wondering if adding in one of those while I’m also doing hcg can make a difference...

Yeah pregnelone/DHEA, hcg. I sort of feel the benefit shortly with hcg before everything goes to hell with estrogen. So now I’m trying to add stuff like Primobolan and non-conventional trt items (at least for here in United States).

Yup I noticed this right around when the honey moon phase of trt wore off. My adderall no longer have me that mental drive to do anything. I came off trt and everything went back to normal. Fast forward a year later and I’m back on trt and adderall is back to not doing much. I’m one of those...

Yeah I’ve tried daily injections thinking that all I had to do was fix it so e2 wasn’t peaking to high and everything would be gravy. Had no luck with that and e2 was perfect. Only thing I haven’t tried is once a week injections and that’s because of of the fear of e2 spiking with big injection...

With a slow week at work I’ve had more time to just read through forums and now I’ve come across more things I would like to try as well. Even though I’ve had prolactin checked before and it was high I would still like to see what I feel like by lowering it. Instead of using Cabergoline I’ve...

In regards to the hormone pathway where cholesterol turns into Pregnelone to start the downstream path for the hormones. What happens to that cholesterol if you’re not on hcg? Does it sit there just building up in the arteries because it has nowhere to go?

Forgive the ignorance but how does the Proviron do anything to the women if you’re the one taking it? I mean get how like test cream can rub off on people and cause side effects but how would Proviron?

Might not but I’ve still got about 2 months worth left so going to try a few different things with it. At least, can check off another box on what doesn’t work. I’ve tried all but DHEA. Didn’t notice shit from preg or prog. Hcg just caused me high e2. Thinking of trying to grab some hcg and...

SHBG was 26.7 on last labs.

Quick update: Been feeling worse after taking the capsules. (Low e2 type worse). Going to swap to taking 12.5mg in morning and night rather than just the full 25mg in the morning. Libido has went from 2/10 to 0/10. Reducing the big spikes and trying to keep it more leveled with the dosing is...

Yeah, libido is very frustrating. I’m at the point now where I’m just adding one fix after another trying to get to get it back. With the overwhelming amount of positive feedback I’ve read about libido in regards to Proviron I figured it’s now time to give it shot. For 3 days in so far, my...

I did indeed.

Indeed. I came off of adderall thinking over sensitized dopamine receptors might just need a break but never noticed any improvement. Stress and sleep wise I feel to be in a good spot with both of those.

I actually just got some in the mail last week. Haven’t used it yet. Want to run only 1 variable at a time on this trial. But DHEA levels were towards the top of the range on bloodwork couple months ago.

Believe I’ve tried all of those except the Cabergoline, would have to look back at me notebook and see. I’ve tried AI’s even at the lowest dose it made me feel off. But I really don’t believe e2 to be my problem as my latest bloodwork was total T of 1100, free t 30 & e2 of 30. I’ve noticed...