Smokin Joe
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10-4 will do.
I hope that this venture works out.
Appreciate all.
I hope that this venture works out.
Appreciate all.
Natesto Success Stories
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Smokin Joe
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Unfortunately I stopped Natesto about 6 months back.
I couldn't get past twice a day and the headaches were consistent with use.
So this week I've started micro-dosing testosterone cypionate @ 15mg per day with cistanche at night.
My experiment is to see if the cistanche will keep my nuts in tact by keeping LH in range.
I was going to do this about a year ago and hot sidetracked on Natesto.
My hopes were high for Natesto but the nasal application got to be to much.
I'll post in 4 to 6 weeks after I do bloods to see if my LH is steady and what my numbers are micro-dosing....
Good luck with the Natesto!
I couldn't get past twice a day and the headaches were consistent with use.
So this week I've started micro-dosing testosterone cypionate @ 15mg per day with cistanche at night.
My experiment is to see if the cistanche will keep my nuts in tact by keeping LH in range.
I was going to do this about a year ago and hot sidetracked on Natesto.
My hopes were high for Natesto but the nasal application got to be to much.
I'll post in 4 to 6 weeks after I do bloods to see if my LH is steady and what my numbers are micro-dosing....
Good luck with the Natesto!
Smokin Joe
Active Member
After a month or so of use.
I stayed with it for about six months on and off then gave up.
I stayed with it for about six months on and off then gave up.
madman
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The T levels achieved let alone steady state injecting 15 mg TC daily (105 mg T/week) as you should know will have a strong suppressive effect on the hpta.
Cistanche is not going to have any impact on maintaining let alone increasing LH!
The addition of an LH mimetic (hCG) would be your only option when it comes to maintaining some degree of intra-testicular testosterone (ITT) to minimize/prevent testicular atrophy and maintain fertility but even then your hpta will still be shut-down.
If you are dead set on minimizing suppression of the hpta when using exogenous T then Natesto would be the least suppressive followed by oral TU (Kyzatrex).
As I stated in a previous thread:
Formulation/PKs, dosing protocol/minimum effective doses needed to raise T levels in order to achieve a healthy FT level in order to provide relief/improvement of symptoms will results in suppression of the hpta.
Nateso T gel is the only formulation that will cause the least suppression of the hpta due to the PK/dosing protocol.
Natesto is meant to/needs to be applied intranasally in order to reap the benefits of the PK.
In and out of your system quickly due to the half-life of unesterified T.
Dosed 2-3 times daily which results in a short-lived peak with long trough times between doses.
*The key point here is a short-lived peak with long trough times between doses.
Smokin Joe
Active Member
Madman my bloodwork is back but I'm having a time getting it attached. New phone.
Anyway my LH was less than 3 which shows on the surface that it's not holding lh in normal levels. But here's the kicker my nuts haven't moved much at all if any.
The other weird thing is that my Total T was 912 using 15 mg a day for 5 days with a two day break.
Cistanche 1 teaspoon divided daily.
Free T is 12.3 and estradiol 12.
My hematocrit was 51.5 high for me.
I can always tell that my hematocrit is up as I get shallow breathing. Consistent over years of trt.
All of this over the course of 5 weeks.
Crazy as I've never had TT this high so quickly.
My belief is that Cistanche has a direct affect on T.
I will continue this for another 2 months to see where it goes and also attach some bw.
Joe
Anyway my LH was less than 3 which shows on the surface that it's not holding lh in normal levels. But here's the kicker my nuts haven't moved much at all if any.
The other weird thing is that my Total T was 912 using 15 mg a day for 5 days with a two day break.
Cistanche 1 teaspoon divided daily.
Free T is 12.3 and estradiol 12.
My hematocrit was 51.5 high for me.
I can always tell that my hematocrit is up as I get shallow breathing. Consistent over years of trt.
All of this over the course of 5 weeks.
Crazy as I've never had TT this high so quickly.
My belief is that Cistanche has a direct affect on T.
I will continue this for another 2 months to see where it goes and also attach some bw.
Joe
I’m sure @Cataceous would appreciate more of your feedback and longer term experience with cistanche.
Smokin Joe
Active Member
There is definitely something to this herb.
There are various studies on cistanche that show its influence on testosterone and LH.
Im going to hang in for awhile to see where it goes. I'm amazed at a TT of 912 in just 5 weeks at 75mg a week.
I'm using cistanche from Raw Revelations which seems to be a good product at a good price. I have paid up to $69.00 for it from another company but have found a good product for much cheaper.
I was using a product with cistanche Tongkat Ali but it made me moody so I'm down to the main herb cistanche.
There are various studies on cistanche that show its influence on testosterone and LH.
Im going to hang in for awhile to see where it goes. I'm amazed at a TT of 912 in just 5 weeks at 75mg a week.
I'm using cistanche from Raw Revelations which seems to be a good product at a good price. I have paid up to $69.00 for it from another company but have found a good product for much cheaper.
I was using a product with cistanche Tongkat Ali but it made me moody so I'm down to the main herb cistanche.
Smokin Joe
Active Member
Okay it looks like labs are attached.
5 weeks microdosing 15mg cypionate 5 days a week. Cistanche every day.
Im waking with good erections for now at least and have a slightly better interest in sex.
Good energy.
5 weeks microdosing 15mg cypionate 5 days a week. Cistanche every day.
Im waking with good erections for now at least and have a slightly better interest in sex.
Good energy.
There's the usual quibble that 105 mg TC/week is nowhere near micro-dosing.
In any case, I've hypothesized that a SERM is needed in addition to cistanche to improve the odds of significant LH production under TRT. Ostensibly cistanche attenuates negative feedback from androgens at the hypothalamus. But negative feedback from estrogens is significant at both the hypothalamus and pituitary. Counteracting this requires a SERM.
madman
Super Moderator
Would not get too caught up on your TT as FT is what truly matters!
Unfortunately you never had your FT tested using an accurate assay.
No one should be using/rely upon the direct immunoassay!
In order to see where your FT truly sits you would need to have it tested using an accurate assay which would be the gold standard Equilibrium Dialysis especially in cases of altered SHBG.
Otherwise if you already know where your SHBG sits than you can easily calculate it using the linear law-of-mass action cFTV.
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