DHT Cream Plus Testosterone Propionate = Major Libido Boost

Gman86 said:

Like even just applying it to the penis might result in less prostate aggravation, but still yield some sexual benefits. And also still yield the positive mental benefits, if it’s absorbs fairly well on that area. Which I assume it would. It’s skin, just like anywhere else, and very vascular. But I understand that’s still close to the taint/ prostate, so not sure if it would make much of a difference. Just thinking out loud

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Sorry, I was in a hurry and didn’t read your post properly. I do apply to the penis.

BadassBlues said:

Sorry, I was in a hurry and didn’t read your post properly. I do apply to the penis.

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are u applying solely to the penis, and getting those mild prostate agitation symptoms, or are u applying to the penis, as well as ur perineum, while experiencing those symptoms?

Gman86 said:

are u applying solely to the penis, and getting those mild prostate agitation symptoms, or are u applying to the penis, as well as ur perineum, while experiencing those symptoms?

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Just the penis. As we discussed back in this thread, I get better results than with the perineum application. I believe the prostate symptoms are just age related, likely just more susceptible to the effects.

Seagal said:

Thank you for sharing. Do you also had DHT and SHBG measured?

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Unfortunately not on non-scrotal, which I'll do next time for sure because it's one of the most important missing data points in my records, but on scrotal application at 2 clicks AM + 2 clicks PM (100mg + 100mg = 200mg/day total), my DHT (at trough) came back at 500ng/dL (range 12-65ng/dL).

On half that dose (1 click AM + 1 click PM), DHT came back at 360ng/dL. So for me at least, DHT conversion is really extreme on scrotal application. I think @Wolverine had similar numbers.

Something to note is that my baseline for DHT conversion is very high. As a natural, my DHT was at the top of the range, and on even 18mg/day Test C bringing Free T to 25ng/dL (top of the Labcorp range), my DHT is still almost double the range at 120ng/dL.

I'm very curious what non-scrotal application will raise DHT to. I'm expecting less than scrotal but definitely more than injections.

Belekas said:

Thanks for sharing mate and damn it makes me want to give cream a test drive lol. Very very interesting results and glad that you are feeling better!

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Thanks brother! If I remember correctly you're based in England. I know Balance my Hormones UK has the cream, so you could give it a try through them.

I'm feeling better every day which is very unusual for me as typically I'll feel good during the transition from one protocol to a new one and then worse and worse. The mental clarity, drive and increased executive function right now are better than on any injectable protocol by orders of magnitude. It also feels sustainable in the sense that it's a subtle rise over weeks and not a short-lived manic state that is sure to fizzle out before a horrible crash.

Gman86 said:

My first thought is that the once a day cream application is yielding the least amount of HPTA suppression, compared to all other protocols u’ve tried, including twice a day cream application. I feel like cognitive function and suppression of downstream hormones can tend to go hand in hand. I feel like less hpta suppression/ less downstream hormone suppression = improved cognitive function. Again, most of the time

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I completely agree and you and I have talked about this before many times haha. I almost want to test LH/FSH after a few more months on the cream at once/day application.

One thing i've always noticed is that on the cream, even on twice/day application, my DHEA-S levels will come back to 95% of pre-TRT baseline around 190 (pre-TRT was ~200), and this happens systematically, whereas on injectable protocols my DHEA-S crashes to ~80, or a 60% drop, and this also happens systematically over dozens of blood tests.

Jerajera said:

Unfortunately not on non-scrotal, which I'll do next time for sure because it's one of the most important missing data points in my records, but on scrotal application at 2 clicks AM + 2 clicks PM (100mg + 100mg = 200mg/day total), my DHT (at trough) came back at 500ng/dL (range 12-65ng/dL).

On half that dose (1 click AM + 1 click PM), DHT came back at 360ng/dL. So for me at least, DHT conversion is really extreme on scrotal application. I think @Wolverine had similar numbers.

Something to note is that my baseline for DHT conversion is very high. As a natural, my DHT was at the top of the range, and on even 18mg/day Test C bringing Free T to 25ng/dL (top of the Labcorp range), my DHT is still almost double the range at 120ng/dL.

I'm very curious what non-scrotal application will raise DHT to. I'm expecting less than scrotal but definitely more than injections.



Thanks brother! If I remember correctly you're based in England. I know Balance my Hormones UK has the cream, so you could give it a try through them.

I'm feeling better every day which is very unusual for me as typically I'll feel good during the transition from one protocol to a new one and then worse and worse. The mental clarity, drive and increased executive function right now are better than on any injectable protocol by orders of magnitude. It also feels sustainable in the sense that it's a subtle rise over weeks and not a short-lived manic state that is sure to fizzle out before a horrible crash.



I completely agree and you and I have talked about this before many times haha. I almost want to test LH/FSH after a few more months on the cream at once/day application.

One thing i've always noticed is that on the cream, even on twice/day application, my DHEA-S levels will come back to 95% of pre-TRT baseline around 190 (pre-TRT was ~200), and this happens systematically, whereas on injectable protocols my DHEA-S crashes to ~80, or a 60% drop, and this also happens systematically over dozens of blood tests.

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I had similar results years ago when I first started with scrotal application of testosterone. That is why I always kept a topical around even when I transitioned to injections.

Jerajera said:

Unfortunately not on non-scrotal, which I'll do next time for sure because it's one of the most important missing data points in my records, but on scrotal application at 2 clicks AM + 2 clicks PM (100mg + 100mg = 200mg/day total), my DHT (at trough) came back at 500ng/dL (range 12-65ng/dL).

On half that dose (1 click AM + 1 click PM), DHT came back at 360ng/dL. So for me at least, DHT conversion is really extreme on scrotal application. I think @Wolverine had similar numbers.

Something to note is that my baseline for DHT conversion is very high. As a natural, my DHT was at the top of the range, and on even 18mg/day Test C bringing Free T to 25ng/dL (top of the Labcorp range), my DHT is still almost double the range at 120ng/dL.

I'm very curious what non-scrotal application will raise DHT to. I'm expecting less than scrotal but definitely more than injections.



Thanks brother! If I remember correctly you're based in England. I know Balance my Hormones UK has the cream, so you could give it a try through them.

I'm feeling better every day which is very unusual for me as typically I'll feel good during the transition from one protocol to a new one and then worse and worse. The mental clarity, drive and increased executive function right now are better than on any injectable protocol by orders of magnitude. It also feels sustainable in the sense that it's a subtle rise over weeks and not a short-lived manic state that is sure to fizzle out before a horrible crash.



I completely agree and you and I have talked about this before many times haha. I almost want to test LH/FSH after a few more months on the cream at once/day application.

One thing i've always noticed is that on the cream, even on twice/day application, my DHEA-S levels will come back to 95% of pre-TRT baseline around 190 (pre-TRT was ~200), and this happens systematically, whereas on injectable protocols my DHEA-S crashes to ~80, or a 60% drop, and this also happens systematically over dozens of blood tests.

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You should go on YouTube
Maybe @FunkOdyssey can also get dhea-s values while on additional dht.
Feels like pre-school science experimentation, one is excited and buffled and does not really understand how it works.

Seagal said:

You should go on YouTube

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haha thanks, maybe one day.

Seagal said:

Feels like pre-school science experimentation, one is excited and buffled and does not really understand how it works.

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We're definitely guinea pigs at this point to a large degree. The question of whether the self-experimentation is worth it is highly individual. For me, before TRT I was convinced I wasn't going to be able to make it another 5 years without killing myself.

Injectable Test completely removes all suicidal thoughts and gives me the energy to keep going, but it comes with total anhedonia and I'm basically not going anywhere or have any desire to go anywhere or do anything at all.

Injectable Test also kills my cognition, making me functionally retarded. It also kills all creativity and most of my libido, which is wild because I used to have insane libido as a natural, even in my late 30's through the midst of suicidal depression.

Still, despite all of those downsides TRT was worth it for me because pretty much anything beats 24/7 suicidal depression. But obviously I'm hoping for better and I think the cream once/day might be it. I've always felt that libido, drive/motivation and cognition were much better on shorter esters, but on Test Prop I aromatize like crazy and it's really not sustainable unfortunately (high BP and headaches even on lower dosages, extreme anxiety, etc...).

We'll see, I'm keeping my fingers crossed but so far it's going in the right direction more than any other modality or protocol before, and seemingly sustainably.

Jerajera said:

haha thanks, maybe one day.



We're definitely guinea pigs at this point to a large degree. The question of whether the self-experimentation is worth it is highly individual. For me, before TRT I was convinced I wasn't going to be able to make it another 5 years without killing myself.

Injectable Test completely removes all suicidal thoughts and gives me the energy to keep going, but it comes with total anhedonia and I'm basically not going anywhere or have any desire to go anywhere or do anything at all.

Injectable Test also kills my cognition, making me functionally retarded. It also kills all creativity and most of my libido, which is wild because I used to have insane libido as a natural, even in my late 30's through the midst of suicidal depression.

Still, despite all of those downsides TRT was worth it for me because pretty much anything beats 24/7 suicidal depression. But obviously I'm hoping for better and I think the cream once/day might be it. I've always felt that libido, drive/motivation and cognition were much better on shorter esters, but on Test Prop I aromatize like crazy and it's really not sustainable unfortunately (high BP and headaches even on lower dosages, extreme anxiety, etc...).

We'll see, I'm keeping my fingers crossed but so far it's going in the right direction more than any other modality or protocol before, and seemingly sustainably.

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Unfortunately I believe I know very well what you went through...
So glad about this forum and a select group of people fighting a similar fight sharing their experiences.
FingersCrossed++ on your protocol. It's inspiring.

Seagal said:

Unfortunately I believe I know very well what you went through...
So glad about this forum and a select group of people fighting a similar fight sharing their experiences.
FingersCrossed++ on your protocol. It's inspiring.

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Thanks man, and sorry to hear you can relate. I'll keep posting updates, hopefully they can help others.

Cataceous said:

The perineum (pl.: perineums or perinea) in placental mammals is the space between the anus and the genitals. The human perineum is between the anus and scrotum in the male or between the anus and vulva in the female.[2] The perineum is the region of the body between the pubic symphysis (pubic arch) and the coccyx (tail bone), including the perineal body and surrounding structures. The perineal raphe is visible and pronounced to varying degrees. The perineum is an erogenous zone.[3] This area is also known as the taint or gooch in American slang; it is further known as the chad or grundle in British slang.​

Perineum - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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Distracted by how British people supposedly call it the grundle haha!

Jerajera said:

haha thanks, maybe one day.



We're definitely guinea pigs at this point to a large degree. The question of whether the self-experimentation is worth it is highly individual. For me, before TRT I was convinced I wasn't going to be able to make it another 5 years without killing myself.

Injectable Test completely removes all suicidal thoughts and gives me the energy to keep going, but it comes with total anhedonia and I'm basically not going anywhere or have any desire to go anywhere or do anything at all.

Injectable Test also kills my cognition, making me functionally retarded. It also kills all creativity and most of my libido, which is wild because I used to have insane libido as a natural, even in my late 30's through the midst of suicidal depression.

Still, despite all of those downsides TRT was worth it for me because pretty much anything beats 24/7 suicidal depression. But obviously I'm hoping for better and I think the cream once/day might be it. I've always felt that libido, drive/motivation and cognition were much better on shorter esters, but on Test Prop I aromatize like crazy and it's really not sustainable unfortunately (high BP and headaches even on lower dosages, extreme anxiety, etc...).

We'll see, I'm keeping my fingers crossed but so far it's going in the right direction more than any other modality or protocol before, and seemingly sustainably.

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So what is your exact protocol now where your libido is good? I'm a bit confused.

@ziegen any updates?

Kenp said:

So what is your exact protocol now where your libido is good? I'm a bit confused.

@ziegen any updates?

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I have just made an update in my own thread. It's a good amount of text and more will follow in the future so I think it's better to post a more in-depth update there where you can easily see the updates and how the journey is going. Of course I will also post any relevant things here as well, but in less detail.

Kenp said:

So what is your exact protocol now where your libido is good? I'm a bit confused.

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He's on 2 clicks of 20% cream (100 mg) applied to scrotum, morning application only.

FunkOdyssey said:

He's on 2 clicks of 20% cream (100 mg) applied to scrotum, morning application only.

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DHT cream right? And is he also using testosterone cream?

Kenp said:

DHT cream right? And is he also using testosterone cream?

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Only testosterone cream - he doesn't have any DHT gel. He makes DHT like crazy with the scrotal cream, so it's hard to imagine he would ever supplement with additional DHT while using cream.

Pnw0031 said:

Distracted by how British people supposedly call it the grundle haha!

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I have a very strong appreciation for British wit and humor. Being of British decent, it's likely genetic. I can certainly see how you could name that particular area a "grundle".

Anyone noticed that effects (ejaculation volume, orgasm intensity)?
Wonder what co-factors are inhibited by TRT that might decrease that effects. It's often a complex time-dependent interaction of hormones/messengers. 'Overloading' with the DHT sporadically seems interesting.

Seagal said:

Anyone noticed that effects (ejaculation volume, orgasm intensity)?
Wonder what co-factors are inhibited by TRT that might decrease that effects. It's often a complex time-dependent interaction of hormones/messengers. 'Overloading' with the DHT sporadically seems interesting.

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I'm interested to try
Is it me or does any one think that him charging $100 for a "source" list is gross
I wonder if it's ppl
Conman

Seagal said:

Anyone noticed that effects (ejaculation volume, orgasm intensity)?
Wonder what co-factors are inhibited by TRT that might decrease that effects. It's often a complex time-dependent interaction of hormones/messengers. 'Overloading' with the DHT sporadically seems interesting.

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Orgasm intensity is definitely improved. I haven't noticed any increase in ejaculate.

camygod said:

Is it me or does any one think that him charging $100 for a "source" list is gross

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For some ppl that might be peanuts. And again, the welcome handshake of your MD might cost the same