DHT: How High is Too High

[Seagal]

Here is my progesterone from 3/19 should it be higher?
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Watch the video.

 

[SS1LE]

Watch the video.

OK, will in a few

 

[Seagal]

OK, will in a few

I find it strange that your lab report range would be ok with zero progesterone

Progesterone in Men: Definition+Reference Ranges

What is Progesterone in men? Progesterone is present in men but at a much lower level than found in premenopausal women. Progesterone is not only a female hormone. Although in females it is respons…

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Seems like yours are optimal.

In my lab report they calculated the ratio of progesterone to estradiol. Meaning hormone balance matters too.

Maybe @Nelson Vergel has more information.

 

[SS1LE]

I find it strange that your lab report range would be ok with zero progesterone

Progesterone in Men: Definition+Reference Ranges

What is Progesterone in men? Progesterone is present in men but at a much lower level than found in premenopausal women. Progesterone is not only a female hormone. Although in females it is respons…

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Seems like yours are optimal.

In my lab report they calculated the ratio of progesterone to estradiol. Meaning hormone balance matters too.

Maybe @Nelson Vergel has more information.

My DHEA is also mid reference as well. I have to find my cortisol but it was about at the 75% mark of the range(that one was on a paper copy for some reason)

 

[Seagal]

My DHEA is also mid reference as well. I have to find my cortisol but it was about at the 75% mark of the range(that one was on a paper copy for some reason)
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You could post your whole lab report

 

[Seagal]

My DHEA is also mid reference as well. I have to find my cortisol but it was about at the 75% mark of the range(that one was on a paper copy for some reason)
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That's great, thus you have no deficiency.

 

[Seagal]

What would be some safe supplements to try to lower DHT? At the moment I’m thinking pumpkin seed oil and qeurcetin. My DHT is obviously to high, but yet my PSA is always under 0.5 on all tests so at least my prostate doesn’t care about high DHT. It seems to affect my estradiol, hair changes but I guess that could be age, but I do get seborrheic dermatitis on my face a lot these past 2 years that I had to get a prescription cream for. I’m thinking now it’s from the DHT as well.

Maybe you can reduce the T dose without any negatives yet better hair 'health'. Not everybody needs 24/7 teenage peak T levels. I would now rather think that no one needs that.

I reduced my TT to 750 resulting in less libido (better for me personally) and less snoring.

 

[Gman86]

Here is my progesterone from 3/19 should it be higher?
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Here’s a pretty good and short vid from a lecture where he goes over optimal prog levels. Might be helpful

 

[SS1LE]

Maybe you can reduce the T dose without any negatives yet better hair 'health'. Not everybody needs 24/7 teenage peak T levels. I would now rather think that no one needs that.

I reduced my TT to 750 resulting in less libido (better for me personally) and less snoring.

My T is really not that high , this was from last month same draw as DHT. I do 14mg Daily

 

[SS1LE]

Here’s a pretty good and short vid from a lecture where he goes over optimal prog levels. Might be helpful

I don't see a link

 

[SS1LE]

You could post your whole lab report

all my test come up as a single line item through EPIC my chart. I have to view one item at a time , back out and click on the next.

 

[Gman86]

I don't see a link

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[Seagal]

My T is really not that high , this was from last month same draw as DHT. I do 14mg Daily
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I have never seen that high total dht with that TT on long T esters.
Could ask @Nelson Vergel

 

[FunkOdyssey]

How did you feel with DHT that high and I guess also how long did you stay there? Im starting really to believe my TRT issues as of late are high DHT

Feels great acutely in terms of increased drive and libido. I haven't been able to take it long term because high DHT somehow gives me gastritis, but I saw a trend towards mood and libido worsening as I stayed on it longer, similar to effects I've had with DHT derivatives.

 

[FunkOdyssey]

My DHT a few years ago used to be middle of the range , now it is 3x times the top of the range, For what reason I don't know. Over the last two years I have lost more hair on the top of my head and gained more on my body. I also have been dealing with low E2 issues, Im starting to think the high DHT levels are the cause of my issues. Im looking at natural supplements to help lower DHT. I think random boosts of DHT help some, but constant high DHT causes issues.

I think you will have a better outcome in terms of symptoms and overall well-being by boosting E2 than inhibiting 5-alpha reductase. The ratio is important here, and raising the E2 side would be less likely to cause adverse effects in my opinion.

Injectable estradiol or hCG (hardly a difference right guys?) would be my preference.

 

[SS1LE]

Feels great acutely in terms of increased drive and libido. I haven't been able to take it long term because high DHT somehow gives me gastritis, but I saw a trend towards mood and libido worsening as I stayed on it longer, similar to effects I've had with DHT derivatives.

Your Gastritis is interesting, Late summer last year I got gastritis and GERD. Doc put me on a PPI for 4 weeks. Gastritis went away , but the GERD stayed. After I got me E2 levels up (though supplementation) the GERD mostly went away. I did break the estradiol validate vial in Feb. now I ordered some HCG. But I think the DHT is the cause of everything now. Without E2 supplementation like this past march test my e2 was <15pg.

 

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interesting that he reccomends a progesterone level 2.5x times the reference range, I also noticed he recommends Test 700-1100ng and an avg estadiol 25pg. To me that seems like it would cause low E2 symptoms especially since prog opposes e2 as well. With his optimal ranges, you would almost certainly be looking at taking Test inject, taking prog, and a AI. For some who don't convert well to DHT probably would also need T cream on the scrotum. This would seem like too much just to be "optimal" . The progesterone theory is interesting.

 

[Seagal]

Your Gastritis is interesting, Late summer last year I got gastritis and GERD. Doc put me on a PPI for 4 weeks. Gastritis went away , but the GERD stayed. After I got me E2 levels up (though supplementation) the GERD mostly went away. I did break the estradiol validate vial in Feb. now I ordered some HCG. But I think the DHT is the cause of everything now. Without E2 supplementation like this past march test my e2 was <15pg.

I would try saw palmetto or finasteride, or dutasteride. I would expect T and E2 to rise if you inhibit conversion to DHT.

 

[SS1LE]

I would try saw palmetto or finasteride, or dutasteride. I would expect T and E2 to rise if you inhibit conversion to DHT.

I have pumpkin seed oil and quercetin coming. After that may give saw palmetto a try. I really don't want to try fin/dut....to many horror stories with those.

 

[Cooper]

I have pumpkin seed oil and quercetin coming. After that may give saw palmetto a try. I really don't want to try fin/dut....to many horror stories with those.

are you still on testosterone cream and if so how much?