TRT without hcg = depressed mood?

TRT7 · Jan 1, 2018

I am on TRT 60mg cypionate 2x week, but still have low libido, when I reduce my HCG dosage my libido is crashed even more and I get depressed, what I should try to use? DHEA? Pregnenolone?

DHEA-S - 11 (norms: 3-15)
My FT4 - 14 (norms: 11.5 -22.7)
Testosterone - 900ng/dl
E2 - 22
SHBG 20 (norms: 18 -48)
Morning cortisol - 400 ( norms: 120 - 600)

HealthMan · Jan 1, 2018

Your numbers look ok. Maybe a higher E2 might help with libido. What is your free testosterone levels? Are you using an AI? HCG for me had no real effects on libido but everyone is different. It might be a good idea to check DHT levels as well. Why did you reduce HCG (and what is your current and old dosage)? If that had a detrimental effect on how you feel i would consider going back to the higher dosage.
DHEA might help increase estradiol and that might have a positive effect on libido. Depending on you free testosterone levels maybe a increase in testosterone dosage might help as well.
I like Pregnenolone in my protocol. Hard to explain but it makes me feel good.

CSI007 · Jan 1, 2018

Why did you reduce the HCG? Your T and E2 look really good but maybe you respond better to the upper end of normal with E2?

You might want to try shots EOD or every day. When I went from twice a week to EOD I felt much better.

TRT7 · Jan 1, 2018

Thanks for reply, my DHT at top of the norms 950 (250 - 1000), my free T 0.885 nmol/L, so it's pretty good. I decrease HCG to 0 because want to see maybe I get some inprovement in libido but actualy it get worsen and I get mild depression.

CSI007 · Jan 1, 2018

How long has it been since you stopped HCG? If it's been only a few days then you might as well give it more time (like a month or more) But you have effectively lowered your E2 even more since you will now begin to shutdown what little T your body was still making with the HCG. With a value of 22 you may then begin to experience issues of being on the low side of E2.

FeelingLost · Jan 1, 2018

TRT7 said:
I am on TRT 60mg cypionate 2x week, but still have low libido, when I reduce my HCG dosage my libido is crashed even more and I get depressed, what I should try to use? DHEA? Pregnenolone?

DHEA-S - 11 (norms: 3-15)
My FT4 - 14 (norms: 11.5 -22.7)
Testosterone - 900ng/dl
E2 - 22
SHBG 20 (norms: 18 -48)
Morning cortisol - 400 ( norms: 120 - 600)

TRT7 said:
Thanks for reply, my DHT at top of the norms 950 (250 - 1000), my free T 0.885 nmol/L, so it's pretty good. I decrease HCG to 0 because want to see maybe I get some inprovement in libido but actualy it get worsen and I get mild depression.

Hi TRT7 this seems so obvious to me. Why don't you just start taking HCG again. You tested it and your libido got worse time to go back on and maybe even up your dose.
I take 300iu EOD or 900/wk and love it.

HCG (Half life 2 days) - Steady state in 10 days. I think it would take 10 days for all HCG effect to no longer be felt.

Vince · Jan 1, 2018

TRT7 said:
I am on TRT 60mg cypionate 2x week, but still have low libido, when I reduce my HCG dosage my libido is crashed even more and I get depressed, what I should try to use? DHEA? Pregnenolone?

DHEA-S - 11 (norms: 3-15)
My FT4 - 14 (norms: 11.5 -22.7)
Testosterone - 900ng/dl
E2 - 22
SHBG 20 (norms: 18 -48)
Morning cortisol - 400 ( norms: 120 - 600)

Are you using an AI?

HealthMan · Jan 1, 2018

TRT7 said:
Thanks for reply, my DHT at top of the norms 950 (250 - 1000), my free T 0.885 nmol/L, so it's pretty good. I decrease HCG to 0 because want to see maybe I get some inprovement in libido but actualy it get worsen and I get mild depression.

I would resume HCG and add small dosage DHEA and Pregnenolone and see how you feel. I use 10mg DHEA and 10mg Pregnenolone daily from Pure encapsulations and that works very well for me.

Vitamin_C · Jan 3, 2018

Testosterone won't help mood if other areas of health are not functioning properly, the main area would be gut/digestion health. If that is poor, doesn't matter how good your testosterone levels are.

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