Phil Goodman
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So you concede the point, though try to obscure it by mislabeling the guy as morbidly obese. In fact he's pretty typical — especially of Americans, and the case illustrates that getting to a good weight is orders of magnitude more important than quibbling over macronutrients.
Concede what point? That if someone is obese and they lose almost 60 pounds they’ll see an improvement in health markers? I never contested that point so not sure why I would need to concede it. Obviously maintaining a healthy weight is important. The point was that some foods are clearly healthier than others, and there is a lot more than just simple caloric surplus involved in the explosion of health problems in America and countries which take on more of a western diet. To which you said “hey look at this guy who ate garbage, lost 60 pounds, and had an improvement in health”. That does nothing to dispute the point with regards to foods having different quality. And you actually agree with this because you say people should avoid processed foods. So it appears we actually agree on more than we disagree on. We both agree maintaining healthy weight is important and we both agree some foods should be eliminated from or minimized in diets based on processing and other factors.
It's easy to show that the science is against you in this, even if not definitively. If you want to eat fatty red meat in moderation then it's probably not going to kill you. Go full carnivore on the stuff and you increase your risk of issues due to the lack of balance.
For every one person you show me who ate McDonald’s while improving their health markers, I can show you 10 who ate a carnivore diet and improved their health markers…and I’d even be willing to bet that the improvements were greater. Not saying I’m a proponent of the carnivore diet, though I think it is superior to a traditional western diet(though that obviously isn’t saying much). I also don’t put much weight in studies or articles like the one you posted because there is an obvious bias against red meat for some reason. To suggest otherwise is to ignore the tons of absurd claims made against it.