Walked into the clinic told them what I wanted and got it.

Tree Top Flyer · Nov 10, 2016

Gentlemen,

I'm 54, 5'-9" 167-173 lbs. don't work out other than 50 push-ups a day. I was going to a clinic for Adderall and am given 60 x 30mg per month. I take one in the morning and one in the afternoon. One day in June while waiting to see the doc I read some of the advertising for HRT. I had all of the symptoms and wasn't shy about plain talking the doc. After our conversation he injected me with 200mg of depo and said to come back every two weeks and to use the 80 mg cream everyday to reduce the mood swings I may encounter. (20% absorption rate = 16mg/day)
I'm paying $120 per month for the cream and $35.00 per injection. After several months I decided to add HCG to bring the family jewels back online. I've been told that if, (god forbid), I ever have to go off the testosterone the HCG will prevent them from dying. I'm also taking 20mg of Lisinopril to keep my BP in range.

So as you know, after the first 2 months I'm 19 again and must have gone through 30 or 40 girls (an old college buddy of mine says I broke some records from 1982 in Daytona Beach where I attended college). Felt better than I ever have not to mention the added benefit of 60 mg of Adderall/day.
The initial profound rise in sex drive has leveled off and now under control. But to anyone new reading this please know....you're in for a WILD ride! As I write this, I'm simply enjoying the remarkable increase in my general quality of life.

I'm considering dropping the cream and asking for 200mg injection every week.

I know....you're asking yeah but what does your blood work say? I never had any done. The clinic supplied me with a saliva test to send in via UPS but I never got around to do it.

I'm submitting the saliva test tomorrow and will have the results for my next doctors appointment.

Questions:

~ Should I keep the cream? Or go with weekly injections?
~ What blood work numbers will concern my doc and motivate him to reduce my dosage?
~ Why isn't every male in the world on this regime? Including my doc?

Lastly, I don't ever want to be without this life enhancing program again.

Bring it,

Tree Top Flier

Re-Ride · Nov 10, 2016

Welcome to excelmale TTF. Were any labs done in June when you started 200mg cyp every 2 weeks with 80mg daily cream or since?

You're feeling great with this protocol combined with Adderral and want to know why all men everywhere aren't on this protocol. You'd also like to try 200mg cyp weekly.

Typical Honeymoon phase reaction. We hope you continue with such positive results for a long time to come. Chances are you may not. Almost no one properly treated is taking cyp every two weeks owing to its short half life. Read the stickies here and you'll be in a better position to answer your own questions. Start getting those labs ( serum not saliva) and find a doc who doesn't prescribe without them.

As for men everywhere adopting this protocol the obvious answer is that medicine is for pp that need it rather than simply to feel 19 again.

Tree Top Flyer · Nov 11, 2016

Thank you for your reply

Thank you for your reply Re-Ride. No labs were done before or since as the doc indicated if there was trouble I'd simply need to take a trip to the local blood bank and donate. I was offered the labs but they were very expensive. ($550.00) I declined and was given a complimentary saliva test in lieu. I have since visited an online source and ordered the following:
CMP, CBC, PSA and Testosterone F&T for about $200.00 to performed by Labcorp.

I'm aware of the half life and is the reason I want to go to weekly injections. (Thank you for the nod) It was this request that motivated my doc to order the blood work, CMP,CBC,PSA and Test F &T. The cream appears to be a weak frontline approach for the many grumpy old men out there who just need a little boost as long as it's ok with their wives.

Obviously there are several philosophical rationales for not wanting to feel 19 again. And frankly, I asked the question to flush out any new information. I know the protocol isn't going to extend my life but it sure is going to make the next 25 years a lot more fun! The good lord gave it to us, we might as well use it. In fact, I feel so strongly about the positives I'd trade a couple years off the end of assisted living to have had a high quality of life to the end. Ever seen what happens to the elderly? No thank you.

masfield · Nov 11, 2016

geeze, i can't get laid to save my life but guess that's what happens (to some of us) when you're 62 and fugly. meanwhile, like you, i'm a huge fan of adderral. i don't take nearly as much as you do but the little i take has been a life changer.

Tree Top Flyer · Dec 8, 2016

Hello everyone,
I just returned from my doctor's office and went over my saliva and blood results.

Blood test- Free T: 211.5
Blood test- Total T: 798
Hemocrit: 48.4
Saliva test -'Total T: 2,000
PSA: 1.8

Interesting to me that the saliva test doesn't have a result for Free T. Just total T. I'm having a difficult time reconciling the huge difference in saliva result of 2,000 total T and Blood test 798.

Have been on 200mg Depo T injection once per week accompanied by an injection of HCB once per week.

Any explanation for the dramatic difference between the saliva result and blood result?

TTF

johndoesmith · Dec 8, 2016

Tree Top Flier said:
Hello everyone,
I just returned from my doctor's office and went over my saliva and blood results.

Blood test- Free T: 211.5
Blood test- Total T: 798
Hemocrit: 48.4
Saliva test -'Total T: 2,000
PSA: 1.8

Interesting to me that the saliva test doesn't have a result for Free T. Just total T. I'm having a difficult time reconciling the huge difference in saliva result of 2,000 total T and Blood test 798.

Have been on 200mg Depo T injection once per week accompanied by an injection of HCB once per week.

Any explanation for the dramatic difference between the saliva result and blood result?

TTF

Post the reference ranges and units for those tests. It's possible they're different units.

More likely than not, it's because saliva tests are inaccurate.

This does leave more questions, are these your natural results, or from after you started on TRT? Very important for us to know this.

If on TRT, how long were you on it at the time of this test? When was it taken relative to injection?

How do you feel?

Vince Carter · Dec 8, 2016

Saliva tests are worthless. No one here uses them. Buying your won bloods is the way to go, if its not what you used, please check out discountedlabs.com, best prices around.

ERO · Dec 8, 2016

Your experience with TRT is far above average IMHO, so enjoy it! Definitively get your own blood work though as Vice indicated. There is a reason nobody on this forum uses saliva tests - with the exception of Cortisol, they are wildly inaccurate.

Mountain Man · Dec 9, 2016

ERO said:
Your experience with TRT is far above average IMHO, so enjoy it! Definitively get your own blood work though as Vice indicated. There is a reason nobody on this forum uses saliva tests - with the exception of Cortisol, they are wildly inaccurate.

Also don't rule out the placebo effect about the "feeling 19 again" thing. After struggling to stay in shape, daily workouts for almost 50 years and struggling to maintain, I felt the same thing. It is a tremendous thing to be making progress with training for the first time in 25 years, putting on some muscle, having energy,and being able to have sex 3 or more times per week again.

I'm older too, so I can relate to the whole 19 again thing. Don't exactly remember how I was at 19, but if this isn't it I really don't mid at all!