First post here, so I'll summarize my post in a few sentences for those that only have time for thehighlights. I am looking for a PCTprogram with Clomid and Letro. I have 50tabs of 50mg Clomid left and about the same of Letro at 2.5mg each. I am guessing that I should start a standardClomid with AI protocol for 4 or so weeks. However how my scenario is different from most is I have been takingClomid during my TRT, so I'm wondering if anyone has experience with running aPCT after that scenario, or can advise if I should do anything differently. That's the cliff notes, if you want moredetails regarding how long I was on Clomid monotherapy and when I startedtaking extraneous testosterone shots, along with before and after labs, mystory is below. Thanks for any help anyone can provide.
I first went to a TRT doc in June2017 after struggling with the usual Low-T symptoms. I was hesitant to get on TRT because I wasn'tsure Low-T was the root cause of my problems so I tried Clomid monotherapy(50mg/daily) from July 2017 thru October 2017 (approx 3 mo). Here are my baseline #'s before starting theClomid:
Total T: 424
Free T: 7.37
FSH: 3.1
LH: 2.3
Estrogen: 40
I got my blood drawn monthlywhile on Clomid monotherapy for the next 4 months. My first set of labs indicated that I wasresponding well to the treatment after a month on paper, my LH and FSH alongwith Total and Free Test improved dramatically, however my E2 was still skyhigh and I didn't feel really that much better. Over the next several months ended up trying different dosages of theClomid and different AI's, starting with Arimidex then switching to Letrozole.
Nothing brought my estrogenlevels down over the four months, they bounced between 70-80. From research it appears this is because theestrogen was being created inside my testicles from the Clomid stimulation vs.from extraneous testosterone administration. So in November 2017 I started taking 400mg/week of test, but my Dr. toldme to stay on the Clomid (at a dose of 25mg/daily) instead of taking hGC, andcontinue with the Letro at 2.5mg daily.
So for the last 3 months up untilthis week, that has been my protocol. Ican't say with any conviction that my symptoms greatly improved, even with thebelow blood test results as of this past month:
Total T: >1200
Free T: >50
FSH: 19.2
LH: 18.8
Estrogen: 22
I realize the test dose was much higher than the average. My doctor said he wanted to start at that level to see if my symptoms subsided right away since I had already done so much experimenting with the Clomid and no improvement in how I felt. So anyways, with those numbers my Dr. said intheory I should not be experiencing any typical Low T symptoms, however the onlyreal difference I can feel is with my muscular development and a somewhatbetter mood with less depressing thoughts. After reviewing last months results with my Dr., he suggested that if Ireally wasn't seeing a large improvement in symptoms, and I didn't want to stayon TRT, then I should try hCG monotherapy. I declined as I feel exhausted with all the appointments, researchingforums, blood draws, pins, etc. Ifigured that if I go off everything and feel the same, then I know without adoubt my low T like symptoms are from something else.
I told him I just wanted to ceaseall treatment, but wanted to know if I should continue with my Clomid and AI ona taper PCT. He said that was notnecessary, so I am back on the forums and this time posting in the hopes ofgetting some help, because I cannot find info on a PCT to use when one hastaken Clomid daily during their TRT. Thank you for any input you can provide with my situation.
I first went to a TRT doc in June2017 after struggling with the usual Low-T symptoms. I was hesitant to get on TRT because I wasn'tsure Low-T was the root cause of my problems so I tried Clomid monotherapy(50mg/daily) from July 2017 thru October 2017 (approx 3 mo). Here are my baseline #'s before starting theClomid:
Total T: 424
Free T: 7.37
FSH: 3.1
LH: 2.3
Estrogen: 40
I got my blood drawn monthlywhile on Clomid monotherapy for the next 4 months. My first set of labs indicated that I wasresponding well to the treatment after a month on paper, my LH and FSH alongwith Total and Free Test improved dramatically, however my E2 was still skyhigh and I didn't feel really that much better. Over the next several months ended up trying different dosages of theClomid and different AI's, starting with Arimidex then switching to Letrozole.
Nothing brought my estrogenlevels down over the four months, they bounced between 70-80. From research it appears this is because theestrogen was being created inside my testicles from the Clomid stimulation vs.from extraneous testosterone administration. So in November 2017 I started taking 400mg/week of test, but my Dr. toldme to stay on the Clomid (at a dose of 25mg/daily) instead of taking hGC, andcontinue with the Letro at 2.5mg daily.
So for the last 3 months up untilthis week, that has been my protocol. Ican't say with any conviction that my symptoms greatly improved, even with thebelow blood test results as of this past month:
Total T: >1200
Free T: >50
FSH: 19.2
LH: 18.8
Estrogen: 22
I realize the test dose was much higher than the average. My doctor said he wanted to start at that level to see if my symptoms subsided right away since I had already done so much experimenting with the Clomid and no improvement in how I felt. So anyways, with those numbers my Dr. said intheory I should not be experiencing any typical Low T symptoms, however the onlyreal difference I can feel is with my muscular development and a somewhatbetter mood with less depressing thoughts. After reviewing last months results with my Dr., he suggested that if Ireally wasn't seeing a large improvement in symptoms, and I didn't want to stayon TRT, then I should try hCG monotherapy. I declined as I feel exhausted with all the appointments, researchingforums, blood draws, pins, etc. Ifigured that if I go off everything and feel the same, then I know without adoubt my low T like symptoms are from something else.
I told him I just wanted to ceaseall treatment, but wanted to know if I should continue with my Clomid and AI ona taper PCT. He said that was notnecessary, so I am back on the forums and this time posting in the hopes ofgetting some help, because I cannot find info on a PCT to use when one hastaken Clomid daily during their TRT. Thank you for any input you can provide with my situation.
