SubQ. 8 weeks 5/16 in thighs and glute. 40mg E3D. TT: 540 FT: 26 E2: 34 Shbg: 13 IM. 4.5 weeks, same dose 25g 1inch glutes. TT: 784 FT:32 E2: 26 SHBG: 11 Interesting numbers. I was bloated and gyno was hard and itching, sleep was meh on subQ. Lost the water weight and gyno on IM, better...
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Fresh fresh bloodwork
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Yeah yeah, he didn't mention the assays used. Guess what, I don't care! I have been preaching this mantra for a while now, and new bloodwork keeps popping up. And this guy stuck with SubQ for 8 weeks, so the AUC hypothesis wont help find the missing T.
I read T forums of all kinds widely. This lower T higher E story on subQ is perhaps the only thing common across diverse forums (BB forums, bro forums, proper TRT forums, country specific local forums etc).
Still, caught up on those handfuls of bum ass anecdotes?
All those ones that had lab work done using the same lab, same assay (most accurate) TT/estradiol (LC-MS/MS) and FT (Equilibrium Dialysis or Ultrafiltration) let alone followed all the critical points needed when comparing blood work.....LMFAO!
The men on all those forums represent a slice of the trt pie!
Post labs (screenshots)?
Same lab (Labcorp/Quest)?
Same assays TT/estradiol (LC-MS/MS), FT (Equilibrium Dialysis or ultrafiltration)?
Same testing true trough?
Doubtful he even tested using accurate assays.
So there is no point in even comparing!
Even with a decent TT 540 ng/dL and low-end SHBG 13 nmol/L his FT would most likely be in the high teens/low 20s ng/dL.
With a robust TT 745 ng/dL and low-end SHBG 11 nmol/L his FT would most likely be in the high 20s ng/dL range (top-end).
A big difference between his FT levels.
Put $$$ on it that he used this bum ass test for TT/FT.
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Again for the last f**king time!
You want to bring that s**t on here then post screenshots for labwork which show the lab/assay used let alone make sure the OP was following all the critical points which need to be addressed when comparing bloodwork.
Bet he slipped up on point 5.
Otherwise, you stick to all those other bum ass forums and keep that romper room bulls**t off here!
When it comes to comparing blood work whether one is following a strictly sub-q protocol, strictly IM protocol let alone sub-q vs IM protocol they are following the steps needed in order to make a fair comparison.
Critical Points
1. The protocol needs to be kept the same (ester/dose T/injection frequency)
2.
4-6 weeks for blood levels to stabilize before getting blood work done (6 weeks)
3. Testing is done at the true trough
4. Using the same lab
5. Using the same assays (most accurate) TT/e2 (LC-MS/MS) and FT (Equilibrium Dialysis or Ultrafiltration)
6. Each protocol needs to be given 12 weeks (claim success or failure)
Only then can one make the claim whether the protocol was truly a success or failure let alone when comparing blood levels.
