Blood work on Clomid and 1 month after quitting

cigpk · Dec 14, 2018

On Clomid:
Total T: 726 (264-916)
Free T: 11 (9.3-26.5) - **low**
E2 sensitive: 14.7 (8-35) - **low**
SHGB: 89.3 (16.5-55.9) - **high**
DHEA sulfate: 350 (138.5-475.2)

One month after quitting Clomid:
Total T: 473 (264-916)
Free t: 6.9 (9.3-26.5)
E2: 14 (8-35)

Feeling dead tired a lot. Should I go back on Clomid? Should I go back onto injections?

madman · Dec 15, 2018

cigpk said:
On Clomid:
Total T: 726 (264-916)
Free T: 11 (9.3-26.5) - **low**
E2 sensitive: 14.7 (8-35) - **low**
SHGB: 89.3 (16.5-55.9) - **high**
DHEA sulfate: 350 (138.5-475.2)

One month after quitting Clomid:
Total T: 473 (264-916)
Free t: 6.9 (9.3-26.5)
E2: 14 (8-35)

Feeling dead tired a lot. Should I go back on Clomid? Should I go back onto injections?

TRT!

cigpk · Dec 15, 2018

CLomid or injections?

madman · Dec 15, 2018

cigpk said:
CLomid or injections?

Injections or transdermal scrotal application!

cigpk · Dec 15, 2018

No point in trying Clomid again? My concern is that my SHBG is too high for Clomid to be effective.

Ronnny · Dec 15, 2018

cigpk said:
On Clomid:
Total T: 726 (264-916)

Feeling dead tired a lot. Should I go back on Clomid? Should I go back onto injections?

How many mg Clomid you were taking ? And how often?

cigpk · Dec 15, 2018

Ronnny said:
How many mg Clomid you were taking ? And how often?

25 mg eod for 3 months then tapered down to 12.5 mg eod for a month. That blood work was done on my last day of Clomid, so after a month of 12.5

Ronnny · Dec 15, 2018

cigpk said:
25 mg eod for 3 months then tapered down to 12.5 mg eod for a month. That blood work was done on my last day of Clomid, so after a month of 12.5

I am on Clomid also. I think you should get on TRT. I am going to switch also.

cigpk · Dec 16, 2018

Ronnny said:
I am on Clomid also. I think you should get on TRT. I am going to switch also.

I believe that is the next step. I’m gonna wait a week or two before I re commit though

Vince · Dec 16, 2018

How did you feel when you were on clomid. If you were feeling good you may just want to stay on low dose clomid.

cigpk · Dec 16, 2018

Not great unfortunately. Tired, no libido, able to perform in the bedroom but never really into it. Brain fog pretty bad..

I think the high SHBG/low FT really screwed me up. I am prone to high SHBG and Clomid made it much worse as you can see above. Plus, my sensitive e2 stayed around 14-15 on Clomid which killed my joints.

Vince · Dec 16, 2018

cigpk said:
Not great unfortunately. Tired, no libido, able to perform in the bedroom but never really into it. Brain fog pretty bad..

I think the high SHBG/low FT really screwed me up. I am prone to high SHBG and Clomid made it much worse as you can see above. Plus, my sensitive e2 stayed around 14-15 on Clomid which killed my joints.

Sounds like the next plan is to find a good trt protocol. As you know with high shbg it's best to just do one injection a week. We do have some members with high shbg that inject twice-weekly. I still think I would go with the once weekly injection and see how it works for you.

cigpk · Dec 16, 2018

Vince said:
Sounds like the next plan is to find a good trt protocol. As you know with high shbg it's best to just do one injection a week. We do have some members with high shbg that inject twice-weekly. I still think I would go with the once weekly injection and see how it works for you.

Yeah so when I came off of injections, I was on the following protocol:
40mg twice weekly, 500iu HCG twice weekly and .25 arimidex
Total T: 1347
Free T: 23.9 (9-26)
E2: 22

how do you think I should adjust?
I think I could even get away with 60mg once weekly and then keep my HCG dose the same. Add in arimidex in a few weeks if I notice my e2 creeping back up.

I've actually been taking 10 mg DHEA at night (nothing else, just multivit and boron) and noticing a benefit. I will discontinue that when I start back on injections.

Vince · Dec 16, 2018

As long as you did your labs on injection day before you injected.

Your free T is not too high, so I would probably just lower your AI dose to .125 How are you feeling at these levels.

cigpk · Dec 16, 2018

Felt perfect at those levels. I wouldn’t have changed anything if the urologist hadn’t gotten in my head about fertility. I even had a sperm analysis done after two years on test/hcg and my numbers were perfect. Still decided to jump off though.

Although I don’t think I need total t above 1200.. which is why I’m aiming for a lower dose this time.

One question is that I may not be able to get back onto hcg until early late January. I’m hesitant to go onto test without any hcg at all. Should I be worried about doing that and just wait until January?

Vince · Dec 16, 2018

cigpk said:
Felt perfect at those levels. I wouldn’t have changed anything if the urologist hadn’t gotten in my head about fertility. I even had a sperm analysis done after two years on test/hcg and my numbers were perfect. Still decided to jump off though.

Although I don’t think I need total t above 1200.. which is why I’m aiming for a lower dose this time.

One question is that I may not be able to get back onto hcg until early late January. I’m hesitant to go onto test without any hcg at all. Should I be worried about doing that and just wait until January?

There should be no issues with delaying HCG. Once you start HCG your testicles should be back to normal within two to three weeks. I would go ahead and start without the HCG for now and hopefully feel good again.

cigpk · Dec 16, 2018

Sounds good. I’ll likely begin at 60 or 70 mg test-c weekly with lower ai dose and hcg 2x weekly once I can get the prescription filled.

Looking forward to some relief from this joint pain.

Gman86 · Dec 16, 2018

What brand of HCG were you using?
Was the Arimidex just 0.25mg once weekly?
And do you know what your SHBG was when you had the total T of 1347?

And I would just go back to the exact same protocol if you felt perfect on it. Why change a thing? Don’t be afraid of having a total T above 1300. It’s nothing to worry about. Did you get those labs drawn the morning prior to your injection?

cigpk · Dec 17, 2018

Gman86 said:
What brand of HCG were you using?
Was the Arimidex just 0.25mg once weekly?
And do you know what your SHBG was when you had the total T of 1347?

And I would just go back to the exact same protocol if you felt perfect on it. Why change a thing? Don’t be afraid of having a total T above 1300. It’s nothing to worry about. Did you get those labs drawn the morning prior to your injection?

It was from a compounding pharmacy in Atlanta Ga. yeah labs were drawn in morning prior to injection.

Should I start back on the ai right away or wait a few weeks since my e2 is currently around 14z

cigpk · Dec 17, 2018

My doc thinks I should continue to wait it out with no trt to see if my test levels increase because hpta restart takes 3 - 4 months.. I came off Clomid 1.5 months ago