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Actually your body knows how to balance T/E. The sudden increases cause effects. There is an adjustment period. Can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not. If so, just remember this statement above. Listening to knuckleheads on here would have you think that's crazy. The rest of "TRT...

If you want to quit your ai just start taking less and/or less frequently. If you’re experiencing symptoms you think warrant an ai, take a tiny dose. Take less and less over time. Eventually you just stabilize and that’s that. Lots of debate on here, but my conclusion is that the doctors on...

I just asked. I’ve asked about where the limits are, etc. it’s all about the end result and bloodwork. I disagree with the consensus on arbitrary limits here. So does my Dr.

That consistency is what I really have noted since quitting an ai. Libido and all is there 99% of days. I still use hcg as well.

You meant without? Yes, but it took time. Body adjusted. I used tiny doses of ai less and less often.

I would have if high e2 symptoms never went away. I’m on a high dose off 300 total weekly with 1000mg hcg split up daily and don’t need an ai. If bloodwork indicates I should or symptoms come on I will be lowering the dose.

My experience was that I had quite a bit of success with small doses of anastrozole. You’ll have high e2 symptoms, and anastrozole will crush that. You are great. The downside was that I could never keep on a steady regiment of it. I’d have ups and downs with mood and libido. Weaning off of it...

Solid information summed up in one post. It’s weird how some will decide that these findings apply to an exact level when the studies actually aren’t indicating there is a limit to these effects. Hard to let go of what you once knew was a fact.

I have none of the issues you mention. I’ve had other symptoms typically related to high e2 before. They are transient and possibly due to the rise in e2 and not the current level. They can be transient. My protocol is 300mg test cyp a week with 1000mg hcg divided into daily doses. It may be...

Actually they are sharing first hand experience. They are claiming estrogen is beneficial, and therefore more optimal to not suppress. I’ve done my own fair share of experimentation with dosing and ai usage. It’s been right at 2 months now since I quit taking any ai, and this is the best...

I’ve had the same experience for what it’s worth. A lot of what I thought was high e2 just fixed itself by waiting it out.

Notice how each reply in here is an opinion? We all really only have experience with one person. I weened off my ai slowly. I did feel tired at times, erection strength weakened, mood varies, etc. I’d take a micro dose of ai here and there. Basically just less and less over the months. Now I...

I weaned off anastrozole myself. Been off completely the past 7 weeks and feel great. It does seem to me that negative symptoms of elevated e2 may be transient. My e2 last measure was 90.

Well you continue to claim some things that cannot be proven. You’ve ordained yourself the person who gets to decide what is healthiest. We don’t have proof of these things. My statements stand on their own here. I’ll agree to disagree here.

I’m not on the same page or way of thinking as you are here. It’s fine if we call levels above a certain amount something other than replacement. I honestly can’t say what men need to feel like trt is beneficial. AFAIK you don’t either as you are only intimately familiar with the effects on...

Again I disagree that this is a settled fact. If you feel even better at 2000 TT you feel better. Simple as that. That’s a benefit. Whether or not that’s the healthiest choice again just hasn’t been settled. We have some evidence that the higher estradiol levels that come with the higher TT...

I disagree. There is absolutely zero evidence that being elevated a little above physiological levels is detrimental to your health. There’s actually reason to think it MIGHT be beneficial. An absolute answer is not out there though. The correct studies for that specific situation have not been...

I’m coming around to the idea that symptoms associated with high e2 are temporary as well. I personally required about .5-.7g/wk for 2-3 years to feel optimal on 200mg/wk. I was always just going be feel as I always ended up too low on any steady regimen. I’m currently on 300/wk dosed daily...

I'd be willing to bet there is ZERO permanent damage done to your body from the ai use and hormones. You are all caught up in your own head trying to solve a problem that likely does not exist. Why would you be so special to be effected differently than literally everyone else? These are...

If you need their expertise you are going to have to pay for it If not, you just need to find a dr who will write scripts for you. It's that simple.

Much respect to the Doctor for going about this objectively. Looking forward to what finding come from this change in perspective. As far that transition phase, we are mostly taking cypionate with its very long half life. Any changes in that dose takes 6 weeks just be steady state. Say that’s...

You took the words out of my mouth. If anyone can show me a study that exists with a reasonable trt protocol, where men claim to be dialed in, let’s see it. Does not exist. Therefore all of these doctors are operating on theory. They string together supporting evidence. All of us are being...

Depends on the lab. I’ve got tests from a couple years ago ranging 350-1197 iirc. The 1500 number cam from a couple of the TOT round table discussion. All dr’s seemed in agreement. My own father was out of range at 1100 recently. He’s in his 60s and not on TRT. I bet an inexperienced doctor...

I was referring to 3-5x over top of whatever range they use now. 1500 would be 1.5x the range on some. It used to just be top of normal. We do have studies showing doses up to 600mg/wk being safe. Just not long term. They didn’t use an ai either. You’ve got your logic you are applying, and...

I’ve done a lot of experimenting. Probably too often honestly. I’ve used an ai for years. The Doctors in the TOT round table were making a while lot of sense based on my own personal experiences. So I tried to use no ai, but I’d end up seeing libido take a bit of a dive or mood change. Each time...

Libido is outstanding. Only side is some body acne. Always have that unless e2 is under 20 which kills everything as far as mood and libido go.

On the topic of things unknown long term, what if the effects are POSITIVE? Why make the assumption very high DHT is going to be negative when stating we don’t know the answer? What do you think about the lab ranges? They keep showing T levels lower and lower to be “in range.” My father in...

This. Lots of us have dealt with a libido we just couldn’t believe. You cheat it’s because you wanted to. The mood going up and down is from a moron doctor. He should be ready to go most the time.

It’s usually 25 give or take. Not sure that’s low for someone on TRT. Seems pretty common.

This stuff is too individual to solve that problem by asking questions on a forum. I’ve heard doctors state that shbg does more than just bind up androgens making them unavailable. If your protocol isn’t working you just have to try something new. I don’t subscribe to the 200/wk being some...

Wrong e2 test so it’s just a loose indication. Labs when you don’t have steady state hormones arent too valuable. For example, you start TRT for the first time ever. Lots of people don’t feel anything for 4-6 weeks. Their test reached some pretty high levels many times. Just not steady state...