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I’ve watched what the medical establishment has done to my father. At 51 he was in great physical shape. Always doing projects at the house. Beast at work. The only issue was he smoked a ton of cigarettes and drank a lot. That led to a minor blockage and he got two stents put in. The rapid...

You are so stuck on “natural production” when we take trt it’s far from natural. Serious question. Do you believe that endogenous levels vs exogenous levels are identical and metabolized exactly the same ? Do you think that the Hpta being shut down can lead to people need more t to feel better...

You betting money isnt very scientific is it ? Drs aren’t telling men when they put them on statins and Finasteride to name a few that it’s going to severely diminish quality of life. We can name hundreds of drugs drs prescribe like candy that they do not warn patients of issues they can cause...

Exactly my friend. I spent thousands I mean thousands of dollars seeing every dr under sun to get to bottom of my issues. Tried every supplement. Every “restart” protocol from clomid to Triptorelin. Tried thyroid replacement in every form. Cortisol replacement you name it. I tried the lowest...

But again to many variables even with the controlled studies. You really don’t know how bad any of these men felt before treatment. And what one man considers a success is another man’s failure. Testing for hormones isn’t the same as taking an rbc measurement. It’s great we know how much...

What sucks for me is I have absolutely no writing and grammar skills. I wasn’t much a “school” guy. Always been into working with my hands. I do have common sense and street smarts. And although the human body is very complex I look at it similar as I look at the machines I work with for a...

History is also full of drs treating numbers and seriously fucking people Up in all aspects of medicine. Look at what they do with statins for a guy with cholesterol of 201. Or the dht blocking meds for bph. Come on man your smarter then that.

I love this forum. And I’m not taking a shot at anyone here. But on this forum in particular I see the most men trying to keep the dose low and levels mid range. And you know what I see the most complaints in this forum if never seeing symptom resolution. I see way too much talk of estrogen...

You hit the nail on the head. Highpull had an excellent spreadsheet on his patients and what dose the took and what numbers they achieved. That man does not advertise his practice on the web and isn’t trying to grab clients. He just shares his knowledge. And isn’t making money off the drug sales...

Who is actually using xyosted with success? Are they mainly older men where feeling any bit better will be considered a win ? Do we know if they were to bump the dose up would they get even better symptom relief. Just because it made it through clinical trials doesn’t mean it’s the best way to...

I respect you a ton. And I believe you are a super intelligent person. However it’s more than a few people on the internet. I’ve seen at least 10 legit Md’s (not trt clinic docs) speak on where, the patients they have on trt feel the best. Most of them have them minimum 120 a week. And then...

Or how about this one. Most men just want to feel good on trt. And for majority of them 100mg or less doesn’t cut it. And anyone using testosterone alone for bodybuilding is not using doses that low. 200mg a week will work ok using other anabolics. Or for maintaining what they have, from...

I do not “require” daily tadalafil on trt. But it makes it that much better. I have good erections with out it. But great erections with it lol.

How’s your son doing ? I remember guys giving you crap cause his t levels were “in range”. Is he still living Proof to treat symptoms not numbers !!!

I know for me on cream my erections are very reliable. My nocturnal erections are really good and my libido is pretty much as good as when I was in my 20s. My only issue with trt has been my moods. Seems to amplify obsessive thoughts. And that leads to depression.

have you ever tried cream with daily tadalafil? That seems to be a great combo for many guys.

Great numbers man. Was that the regular hrt base empower uses? My e2 has been higher then that and didn’t effect my erection quality. I know everyone is different. But maybe it’s not “e2”. Could your t levels just be too high for you?

That’s crazy. I need 2-3 clicks to reach that number. But my sexual function is amazing on cream

Not at all. It’s funny in my late 20s early 30s I started getting some slight thinning. Since I’ve been on trt it hasn’t progressed. I have however gotten a ton more body hair. My father is pretty hairy also. So I’m not sure if I was on this path already, but I’ve had some pretty significant...

My last labs looked like this on cream TT 818 Ft 197 range 35-155 Dht 208 range 12-65 Estradiol ultra sensitive lc/ms 40. Don’t know if that helps. I feel pretty good trt wise. Great erections, great libido. Energy and moods could use some help but don’t believe it’s trt related

most of us cream guys blow that “ratio” out of the water. In respects to dht to testosterone ratio

So your saying ramping up t levels way higher then “normal” compensates for the loss of upstream hormones ? Say preg, prog ect… Don’t you believe in treating most men with pregnenolone ?

So how does intra testicular testosterone correlate to serum testosterone ? I conceived both of my children with ease. With natural serum levels of 250tt on average.

If we could keep this debate civil for once, that would be great. while I agree with parts of what both of you guys say. Nothing is truly clear cut answer in this game. Even simple as the reason why all of us are on trt. We are overriding the bodys defense mechanism to a point no ? Something...

I would personally drop the a.i and forget about the e2 number. But im sure I’ll get flamed for that. I love my e2 on trt.

How did you feel before trt ???

Refresh my memory! what’s your shbg ?

How long have you been on the higher dose of injectables ? I’m wondering if I can get similar injections and libido with the higher dose of test e. I was always super conservative On injections. But now the cream made me realize I feel better overall with higher numbers.

Oh I didn’t know that. What about Pfizer’s test cyp. I used that in the past was also no good for me.

Numbers wise, I was still doing great on the cream. I just feel a little off lately. And just so tired of applying it. But if injections do not workout, I’ll go back to cream.

I’ve used empowers compounded test cyp. The same additives as my enanthate. And I felt god awful on the cyp!