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Well said... I am definitely a responder physically, but I have no mental motivation/energy to do anything with the Testosterone that I am injecting. I go through spurts where I will myself to work out and make some decent gains and then I get tired of fighting myself to workout and fall back...

Thyroid supplementation raises SHBG and normalizes Lipids/Cholesterol.

Pre-TRT I was considered sub-clinical Hypo... FT 4 was lower 10% of range, FT3 Upper 20% of range and TSH fluctuated in and usually slightly above range... with physical symptoms of low libido, sleep issues, fatigue. 1) No 2) No 3) No 4) Yes, that is mainly why I started taking Armour Thyroid...

"If you are taking Armour thyroid and you find that your TSH is NOT decreasing then that is an indication that your dose is insufficient."...

You need to bump the NDT up to at least 2 grains and also add straight T3 (25mcg to start).... T3 is what drives down your TSH. I just got finished reading all about this on Dr. Westin Childs site... and he states that when you increase NDT the FT4 will lower. He also said because there is...

I just read through this entire thread and it was like reading a Thriller novel.. so many highs and lows... and at the end of this novel now I feel low.... smdh Since starting TRT about 11 years ago (currently 48 yrs old), I have never once had the great feeling. My sleep is horrible, I have...

I know this is a reach since you been on it a long time, but do you remember how long it took before you felt it kick in/start to work? Also, what Brand of Bupropion do you use? or do you use actual Brand Wellbutrin?

How long did it take before you felt anything positive and/or anything at all? I'm a week in with Buproprion SR at 200mg per day and I don't notice anything so far. Also, I got my script filled at Walgreens and they use the brand SOLCO and it seems like the reviews I read aren't great...

Thyroid is Optimal.. I only started Armour to see if it would help my mood/energy but it didn't do anything. the good side effect of Armour was that it optimized my lipid panel which has always been out of whack since starting trt... TRT protocol currently is 15 mg Test Prop ED/SQ...

Interesting. So it seems it works by slowing Dopamine and nor-epinephrine breakdown and an inhibitor of prolactin... but does it increase Dopamine? I am very interested in this before I try Wellbutrin.. Right now I am on 15mg of Test Prop ed/sub-cut and I am doing blood work this Friday to...

Just curious if anyone felt/had symptoms of depression after starting TRT? I am 10 years in on TRT and I have felt mentally tired and unmotivated most of the entire time... I sometimes thought it was High E or low Thyroid but no matter how much I lowered E or adjusted thyroid (Armour) it...

I got my Test Prop (10ml/100mg) script filled through Empower... had it sent overnight and they added military discount so total cost for everything was only like $64... Only concern I have is that I have absolutely zero PIP (post injection pain) which I have always had when using prop.... so...

My doctor wrote me a script for Test Prop 100mg/ml. Does anyone have any recommendations where to fill it? Empower, Defy and/or another Pharmacy recommendation?

I agree with your comment, however, I have tried Cyp @ 2x and 3x week at varying doses, etc.... (I am a low SHBG guy and I have found out that that ED dosing does make me feel slightly better than I did with EOD, 2x and 3x a week dosing.) This is why I looked toward boosting Thyroid and added...

The listed side effect of lung/blood clots from Natesto is a big NO for me...

I had posted my labs on here awhile back comparing my time on straight Prop to Cyp... lab results for IM vs SQ ED protocols.... My recent labs (June 2021) 20mg CYP SubQ ED are: Testosterone Total-Male 609.0 ng/dL 300.0 - 890.0 ng/dL Free Testosterone 168.7 pg/mL 47.0 - 244.0...

PS- I've also just upped my Armour Thryoid to 4 grains per day.... 2 in AM and 2 in afternoon.. Hopefully this may help energy, lipids and sleep..

I am just about coming to the end of the road with my TRT journey after 11 yrs... I never really enjoyed the benefits that it is supposed to bring... My lipid panels have been horrible (although I did have perfect Lipids on my last blood test when increasing Armour thyroid to 3 grains per day...

So I have been having a lot of acid reflux the past 1 1/2 years, no blood pressure issues and erratic lipid panels (expected when on TRT) but the last year lipid panel dialed in with Natural Thyroid supplementation-Armour... just had CT Scan for Heart Calcium which came back "0" normal.... but...

I re-edited my thread... I was actually on 3 grains (180mg) and dropped to 2 grains (120mg)... my Doctor prescribed me 2 grain tablets and I always forget that when I list my protocol...... I added Tbol to help in gym and kick start my body recomp... TBOL is my favorite AAS... I get nothing...

And like I said earlier, I was also using RAD-140 during this blood test... I can only imagine my lipid panel would even be better had I not been using the SARM.... I'm due for another blood test in a few weeks and the only things that I changed was was dropping my Armour from 180mg to 120mg...

Here are some numbers from my labs (Lipid Panel).. My Lipids have always been out of whack since starting TRT, but only after 3 months of being on Armour Thyroid @ 180mg (started Sept 2020) my Lipid panel is all back in range.... I was even using the SARM RAD-140 which is notorious for messing...

Yes, I will pull the numbers and post them... PS- The second time I had my blood panel done I was using RAD-140 @ 30mg per day, which is notorious for wreaking havoc on Blood panels, and my levels still came back damn near perfect.... because my panels came back normal I would have...

Since starting TRT over 10 years ago, I have always for the most part had messed up blood panels such as HDL/LDL level.... For the past year I have been on Thyroid (Armour 2 grains per day) and my blood panels have come back all in range.... my LDL/HDL was near perfect... I started Thyroid to...

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Damn... yeah.. taking the 2.5 on lab day definitely skews your actual level... I was told that you should not take anything the day of the draw and should draw early am just prior to what your first dose would be.... at least that's what I have read and have been told.. anyway... another week...

@Gman86 when you were taking 2.5 grains NDT.. how did you dose/take them?

I'm personally at a stand still trying to find out whats wrong with me... My DR. considered putting me on trial dose of depression meds as she thinks I may have dopamine/serotonin issues... I do find myself feeling somewhat melancholy/flat for no reason.. but I also think these feelings are...

AT this point the only thing I can think of that may be contributing to my issues is a cortisol issue... about 8 or so years ago I did do a 4 pt saliva cortisol test and it showed low AM, Low noon, avg evening, High late night.... Also, maybe LH/FSH plays a role somewhere.. I do have low DHEA...

Yup, and just like you my Thyroid numbers are good without NDT. I also thought my energy and brain fog was thyroid related too, but I believe it is not. However, I do feel it's easier to lose weight while taking NDT than without (go figure, smdh)... like I said, I'll see where Im at lab wise...

Your numbers are almost like mine except my Free T is at top or over range... I have been on 2 grains of NDT for the past month and taking 15mg of Test Cyp ED.... at the end of the month I will get my labs ran and see where I stand... so far no cognitive, sleep, energy improvement....