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Keep me posted if you would. I'm transitioning to ED protocol using roughly 7mg.

Did you ever do labs to see when the valley actually occurred? Seems to me that a peak at 2-4hrs should result in a sharp drop relatively soon.

All i felt the 1 time i went off was the anxiety of going off and thinking some real hell was coming. Which never happened for me.

Indeed. I'm planning on moving to more frequent injections to keep that peak level in check.

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That's Correct.

So I was leaving town and wanted to do my injection prior to leaving. 8 am Friday morning I injected 30mg Test Cyp and 20mg test prop as part of my 2x week dosing. I've been having good success with this protocol. Just prior to leaving town Friday I had 11 am labs. I did not think much if...

Interesting. It's been so long since i was on pharma that I wouldn't know the difference anymore.

Guys that remained on TRT and used HCG have become fathers. I'm one of them.

I experienced the same with sleep disturbance as you. I discontinued due to that fact alone.

https://www.excelmale.com/forum/threads/does-dhea-supplementation-effect-thyroid-even-when-on-exogenous-source.17303/ Trying to decifer this post. Sounds like there is a possibility it can affect your thyroid.

I began supplementing DHEA at 25mg every morning after lab work showed it at 95. Libido, sleep, morning wood, erection quality all seem to have improved. I've noticed no ill side effects from it. Something that concerns me is my most recent labs show a significant increase in TSH. TSH has...

It has lowered e2 as a number. I never really had symptoms other than some water retention which may or may not have been a by product of e2.

yes.

initially i wanted to try it based on others posts here. E2 being cut significantly has been the biggest benefit for me. water retention is also a benefit but could correlate that to the lower e2 value.

I certainly did. E2 was considerably lowered as well using prop.

IU is a measurement, MG is a concentration.

25MG EOD

Subjective but yes, less water retention was noticeable in my eyes.

I've done peak and trough labs on Prop EOD. With my SHBG hovering around 25-30 trough was 403 (e2 7) and peak was 1450 (e2 22). Contrary to popular belief by most, This is the best protocol I've found for myself. I believe this protocol has worked so well for me because it cut my e2 in half...

I'll never forget my first injection. Within a couple hours I felt amazing! I no longer feel anything though.

I preload syringes and just use a plastic toothbrush holder. works great.

food for thought- Prop lowered my e2 sugnificantly vs cyp.

Yes. It's fairly reasonably priced as well.

I started TRT in '12 using solely test cyp. 4ish years later I added HCg at 500iu EOD and was able to conceive within a year. It will take some time for sperm count to recover so don't get discouraged is numbers are dismal to start out.

You may not have to come off. I just added HCG to my TRT regimen and was able to conceive. Using TC only, my initial analysis came back at "ZERO" I then added 500IU HCG EOD along side the TC and was able to achieve over 100mil on future tests.

Lower your Test dose, Drop an AI. I'd bet you'd feel better.

I had contacted Defy via email in reference to BPC and Tesa from TM as i had noticed they were no longer on the Defy site. I was told the TM BPC was no longer available but could get it from hallendale and Tesa was not currently available.

Sounds like Defy has quit working with TM for the time being? Can anyone verify?

Great results. I've read a couple good reports now on this stuff. Things are looking positive for enclomiphene!!

Using TC only, my initial analysis came back at "ZERO" I then added 500IU HCG EOD along side the TC and was able to achieve over 100mil on future tests.