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Where do you inject? That is a small needle. I'd like to switch to EOD using this size of a needle but last time I tried subq EOD with 8mm 31g needle my T level went down quite a bit. I was injecting in my outer thigh. Thanks.

Thanks. Had the same thing with Dox. I also take tadalafil daily so that may have added to the hypotension. I was told to take Flomax after dinner so it will be eliminated slower via food. I need an alpha blocker as everything is tight down there, I believe due to excessive norepinephrine.

Do you take it every day? What's the dosage (of Dox and Flomax)? How long have you taken it? My urologist prescribed Flomax. I mentioned Doxazosin to him, and he stated that Flomax is much better and targeted, wouldn't give me Dox. I've taken both off and on. Dox gives me some dizziness...

That was my handwritten lab order: my semi-annual labs with Defy. If you are planning on using Quest, I would have them write in the Quest sensitive E test code.

I think you're good. You have the test code on there. Mine was hand written without any test code.

Warning! If your doc provides a written lab order for sensitive estradiol and you go to Quest, they will not give you the sensitive test unless the specific test code is written on the order by your doc. Second time I have been to Quest with a written order and had to battle to get the...

That appears to be more than just progesterone cream. Also has pygeum, stinging nettle, saw palmetto etc.

Many guys don't do well on HCG. Go for a while without and see how you feel.

What is your routine? Tx

not I. I tried it for about 8 months. My levels definitely were elevated, but I couldn't control very high DHT.

T in generally (creams or injections) has greatly increased my body hair. Now Im having to shave my body, which I would rather not have to do.

Same here. My DHT was over 300.

Where do you inject? I have 31g 8mm needles. Tx

Not really. Actually was at the top of range with injections. Had heard about Atrevis and its results and wanted to try. With Atrevis (scrotal) my DHT was like 4 times the top of the range.

Thanks for your input. You call it like you see it, which I appreciate. I thought about which lab to do but this was on sale and I was paying out of pocket. I have been trying the Atrevis base for months now. Had some good T levels but when I did measure DHT it was always very high and I...

If I recall you inject subq. Where do you inject? Also, do you combine the T and HCG in one syringe or use two? Tx

Got labs back after doing 4 clicks total (50mg/click). 1 click on each bicep and 1 click on each inner forearm. Labs done 9 hours after application. Total T 1026 (264-916); Free T 21.2 (7.2-24). Higher results but I feel like I have low E symptoms and I do not take an AI. I did not pull DHT...

@Cataceous is on the money. I was on scrotal gel. DHT was at 287 with 1 click (50mg). Adversely affects E and increases NE. All other lab values were good. No libido, poor EQ etc.

Using Hydrogel: 12/15/21 labs: 1 click (50mg) on scrotum, my labs 8 hours after application were: Total T: 888 (250-1100). Free T: 211 (35-155) and DHT 287 (12-65). Moved to 1 click (50mg) on each shoulder (100mg total). Labs done 8 hours after application: Total T: 316 (250-1100) and...

I agree with Systemlord, your free T isn't good. It is your free T and not total T that you should be focused on and is what gives you the positive T effects. See how you feel with your free T towards the top of the range (take TRT and/or reduce SHBG). Many men on here are over the top of the...

Just got mine a few weeks ago. 10,000IU.

I don't have an exact number, I'm sure someone will, but it is very high. Most that apply there are over the top on T and DHT ranges. Only one click for me (50mg) had my FT over the top and my DHT three times the top of the range.

Yes. It's a brand of HCG.

I get Pregnyl at my local Walgreens.

Interesting. Thanks for posting. It appears that Vit D and serum iron may have an inverse relationship. My ferritin is always good but my serum iron in range low and I supplement with 5000iu of Vit D daily. I'm going to stop the Vit D and see if my serum iron levels go up.

MII was discussed on the Today show today. Mostly discussing the nasal spray form. Mentioned side effects and a few studies saying that it caused melanoma. A little concerning. One study I read was a young female who was taking MII and came down with melanoma, but she went to a tanning bed...

I believe one of the major overlooked factors in this regard is norepinephrine. Thats why alpha blockers (dox, flomax) result in better hang/EQ.

Just one click? two clicks? 50mg/click? Do you go from perineum, to scrotum to underside of penis (all the way to tip) all with one swap with click-top? Tx

So applying T cream directly to penis will give you better flaccid hang?

Interesting thread. I was doing T hydrogel on scrotum, only one click (50mg). My TT and FT numbers were good, but DHT was 287 (12-65). I have people on other forums tell me that high DHT does not matter because it is an intracrine hormone like E and that labs don't matter for it. True? Not...

I used but stopped. Went down to 50mg on scrotum once a day and DHT was still more than 3 times over the top of the range. E was also very high. T levels were good. Poor EQ and libido. Went back to injections. Atrevis definitely works. Thought about switching application site but tried...