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@SH3P I forgot to ask what did your E2 look like in the two protocols?

I was on straight Prop for several months. Even low dose @ 8mg daily put my TT over 1200. But yes same afternoon crash as you. I even tried 2x daily prop (one morning + one afternoon). I later switched to @Cataceous blend of propionate and enanthate and tried very ratio under the sun. I have...

Like you, I have experimented a lot with straight propionate, but always returned to enanthate. I would have expected prop to trigger a bigger dopamine rush, but the swing was always too big of a drop. More like a triple expresso for me. There is a happy medium somewhere in between...

Great stuff thanks for sharing the tests. Key point is that your testing was done at daily trough. Several forum members have noted that IM has higher peak but lower trough. It would be interesting to see what the daily peak was for each (but I know that asking is a lot and I'm certainly too...

Yes shoulder delts with 1/2. I use 31 gauge, but injecting very small amount daily. Tip is to rub shoulder vigorously for 30 sec to get the blood moving before injecting.

What size needle are you using? I tried 5/16 on shoulders and quads just for the hell of it. Subjectively felt more like subq which makes sense since too shallow for IM. I've read about some guys doing subq on their calves (with pinch of skin). Not sure why you would do that

Please use the search function. There are many many threads on this question. As the others have said, experiment with both. It ain't going to kill you. Frequency of injection is a far bigger variable (2x per week versus 3x versus EOD versus daily, etc).

I did the same several times. Just fight through the first 2 months and you will be good to go. I always liked the idea of challenging my HPTA system to restart on its own. If nothing else, taking break from TRT gives you perspective on what TRT does and does not offer. BTW, can you give...

Yes by moving to daily injections and lowering dose to physiological level. Sleep still sucks but what's new lol

I tried using 5/16 for IM and the subjective results were not good. Did not compare well against 1/2". On the larger issue of daily IM versus SQ, I certainly feel better with IM. However, I find it impractical to inject IM every day for years on end. I am low dose like yourself. I have...

I have similar SHBG as you and on 8mg daily tested at 1200 TT @ 4hrs. This is why straight prop is a roller coaster. Hence the blended protocol that @Cataceous pioneered.

100%. My was sinus and jaw type pressure. I used to get this a lot with propionate because it peaks so quickly.

I'm going to one up you. 29gauge good but 31ga even better. I inject enanthate daily. Drawing 6.5mg should be easy and relatively quick.

At that high TT level, you gotta be carrying around a lot of water bloat. Lower dose and switch to Propionate. Made world of difference for me. There is a reason BBers like propionate during cutting phase.

How the hell anyone can sleep on 300mg per week is beyond me. I would be strung out in no time. Even 70mg per week jacks me through the roof. But no way 300mg weekly is sustainable long term. It will bite him eventually and then he can post another dozen videos lol

You can find two dozen threads using the search bar. I will sum it for you though in one word: meh. Very few men ever stick with it (including myself)

Many thanks. How many injections per day? Were you also taking multi-day breaks in between injections?

Thanks for update. What was your most recent dose and frequency?

Ok I'm game as always to experiment with the microdosing. I plan to start at single 10-20mcg injection and then start tweaking variables like number of injections per day and duration of multi-day break as mentioned above to avoid desensitization. From a practical perspective, how much...

I get so confused by this because I've read contradictory info on this forum as to whether DHEA raises or lowers E

I have a drawer full of half-used supplement bottles because I am a sucker for purported benefits. But the only one that has stood the test of time throughout the years is creatine. In fact, there are times where I think creatine > TRT.

If you are concerned about shutdown, another option (read rabbit hole) you could try is nasal T gel, which is a very quick acting form of T that minimizes shutdown. You can search for Natesto which is popular brand. A few guys have had success on nasal gel, but it remains somewhat of a niche...

First my apologies for the snarky message yesterday as I was in shitty mood at the time. I have respect for you as longtime poster. We just have different opinions here. One of the things I've learned over my TRT journey is that the HPG axis is such a delicate thing. The disruption from TRT...

Oh please what a load of bullshit. Great advice. I am not doubting the OP is experiencing problems, but blaming Low T for it is nonsense. No wonder TRT gets such a bad rap in the media.

Dude most guys here would kill for those pre-TRT numbers. Listen to the words of wisdom on this thread and run from that doctor. TRT will shut down your natural production and it ain't easy to bring it back.

What was your pre-TRT baseline TT? Was it much lower than your most recent TRT result?

Its the blend with propionate that spikes the daily peak. Prop is remarkably potent on daily basis

Damn! Men would flock to TRT if they experienced the same

You could try reducing the amount you inject at any time by using more frequent injections (e.g., every other day EOD or even daily) Also, if you're going subq, use a smaller needle like 31 gauge x 5/16.

The worst I've felt on TRT involved cypionate, but in fairness there were many other variables involved including a different carrier oil (cottonseed versus grape). However, like others have said, I've read countless accounts on forums of guys preferring enan over cyp and rarely the other way...

Did you experience any of the anhedonia/blunting that is being discussed as possible side effect?