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I posted this thread about some side effects/weird issues I'm having on my nandrolone protocol. Would be grateful for anyone's thoughts/feedback over there.

Basic Info I'm 6 days into a major protocol change overseen by Defy Medical and feeling really strange and unsettling side effects. There are some confounding factors that are making it hard for me to know what to do. Defy is closed for a few days for the holiday so I can't get a consult and...

Did you run any bloodwork on this cycle? If so, post your numbers.

If it's desire vs erection quality, you may want to look at "software" vs hardware. If you can get an erection, it's not your dick. It's your brain. Maybe get into some therapy and start working on yourself and see what happens. Do you watch a lot of porn? There's nothing wrong with it but you...

How many weeks in are you to this rate of gain? That’s a pretty hefty increase weekly. What’s your diet like?

Thanks. Of course they didn’t put down what methods they used. I’m used to US lab slips where they always say what assay type they used.

Correct. If they use the other testing method it will falsely show elevated testosterone levels since the test can't distinguish between the testosterone and nandrolone. There are reports of individuals who are only taking nandrolone where the test you used gives them above-range testosterone on...

Got it. The key question is whether you are in fact at such high T levels. Did you confirm whether you did the LC/MS method or the one that is less able to discern the difference between testosterone and nandrolone?

@chrismez how are your blood values looking on nandrolone?

I will absolutely share bloodwork when I have it. The only reason I am not posting prior ones is that I think it will confuse the conversation. I do have some labs for comparison when I was doing the propionate injections but will wait to post them as a before/after with the nandrolone...

Assuming you'll be scheduling a double red blood donation to help with hematocrit? Also start drinking grapefruit juice to get that naringin working to lower your hematocrit.

He did not mention, no. I’m curious how I’ll do as well, both on subjective measures and with bloodwork. Especially with the results that @Paul M posted above, which are curious to say the least.

My levels were all over the place because my protocol has been in flux and some weird lab results came in as well, so I don’t think my labs will be of much interest or use. I had some conflicting results within a week of each other that were pretty confounding. Once I have values from my new...

Do you have a link that may help calculate free estradiol based on other values? I found a few journal articles but no ready to go equation.

I know this is an old thread but I'm looking into how folks are doing with nandrolone use. @Vettester Chris, are you still on nandrolone? How are you holding up?

I'm around 2:1 (E2: Free T) and Mike at Defy suggested it should be closer to 1:1 Do you have thoughts on this/experience/etc?

@JimGainz are you still on nandrolone? How are you feeling? I'm going to be starting nandrolone this coming week and curious how it's going for you.

Thanks, try it now. I was linking to the direct PDF but the new link (in original post above) goes to the landing page. You can then click to the PDF after that. EDIT: here's the most relevant portion (emphasis added): To extend the explanation, note that from this link, lower Sg was...

As promised, here's a study detailing administration of nandrolone and testosterone that saw positive results from the nandrolone with non-insulin-mediated glucose disposal. The study is clear that the effects seen with nandrolone did not occur with testosterone.

That is so great to hear. I’ll be sure to post about my experience and hope you’ll keep us updated on yours as well. Incidentally, I came across a study I’ll post later about nandrolone improving glucose tolerance in a human trial. Interestingly, testosterone did not have any effect on glucose...

I had a similar conversation with my wife last night when I was telling her about Defy prescribing nandrolone to me. I told her I was both surprised and delighted and she asked why I was surprised. I explained that testosterone and related anabolic androgenic compounds are treated similarly to...

I don’t disagree with the principle of what you’re saying. And I’m not advocating against nandrolone! I have some coming to me next week from Empower and I am eager to see how my experience is with it. My whole point here is to add to the knowledge of this forum with a data point that is helpful...

Just as a heads up, it's not a 1:1 conversion from animal doses to human. There's a concept called HED (human equivalent dose) that you should read up on. Here's an FDA link. HED is calculated by the following formula: HED = animal dose in mg/kg x (animal weight in kg/human weight in kg) ^0.33...

Yep. They just recommended it. I did not request it or mention sore joints. The context was in reviewing my labs and their identification that my Free T to E2 ratio was off, even though the numbers were reasonably within range for each given value. It's the first time anyone's identified that as...

How are folks doing using nandrolone along with testosterone? I just had a consult today with Defy and the PA recommended I try it to help shift the my Free T to E2 ratio without using an AI (which I don't do well on).

Whoops, I missed the link and thought it was one of those advertising links that some forums insert automatically! :rolleyes: Got the link now and what you're saying makes perfect sense. I just had my consult with Ben Walker and I'm going to drop my dose down by 35% of the propionate and...

Interesting, and many thanks for the help and detailed reply. I'm not necessarily following how you got to the "your Tru-T free testosterone would be 20.6 ng/dL at a dose of 98 mg testosterone per week" figure. I see that at 40mg EOD on Cyp I'm at 98mg/week of testosterone after accounting for...

Thanks for the speedy reply! Lab values from before here, I'm not sure why I came in so low as I think that was a weird draw. For these I was on EOD cypionate. October 8 Total T 588 ng/dL (ref 264-916) Free T 14.2 pg/mL (ref 8.7-25.1) E2 Sensitive 30.5 pg/mL (ref 8.0-35.0) SHBG...

I am in the middle of a trial of transitioning from TRT using cypionate to propionate. The goal was to try to beat some water retention I'd been struggling with for years. I'm working with Ben Walker at Defy Medical. I have a consult with him tomorrow but just got some labs in and I would like...

I've got plenty of Cyp around so no problem there. My concern overall is about lowering my dose a bit to have less of a spike when I make the switch. I'm waiting for Empower to make my Prop anyway so it isn't urgent. I may start ticking my dose down a touch over the next week so my levels are a...

Anyone have recommendations for switching from Cyp to Prop? I just got my Rx through Defy today for Prop, but Ben (the NP there) didn't have much in the way of advice about making the transition to manage my levels adequately. I'm on 140mg per week divided into EOD shots and will be going to...