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Tremendous effort in this. Despite being on opposite sides of a position, your research is impressive. Looking at the results and your commentary, one would have to question at what level of testosterone does long-term exposure create toxic effects. For the thought provocation, I thank you...

@readalot The burden of proof is, in fact, on the party stating the claim or argument.

@bixt Misrepresentation of my position. My position was questioning at what point (dosage, TT, whatever) does testosterone cause damage long-term. A lack of scientific inquiry does not prove correlation or causality in either direction.

Dang. Someone spent all night ruminating. I went back and reviewed the studies I was referring to as long term and you are correct. The majority of interventions were 16 weeks or less. One would surmise the reason for these trials was to prove clinical effectiveness of the anabolics as opposed...

You’re life have been reshaped with the event that occurred. I understand that and I hope that you recover to full health (in all seriousness, I do). However, your event has biased your research. You are out to prove a causal relationship that may not even exist. You use confirmation bias from...

Despite the highly theoretical nature of your position, I would be inclined to agree that there would be a dosage of exogenous testosterone that, after long periods of exposure would bring about some toxic effects to the body; neural apoptosis is currently cited in the literature. However, the...

Are you suggesting that there is a dosage in which exogenous testosterone displays toxic effects?

If you react poorly to transitioning from one protocol to the next, rip the bandaid off; bite the bullet for the following weeks that the transition is unpleasant, and remind yourself of why you are transitioning. I react poorly to protocol changes, similar to you. Committing to the change is...

I experienced the same dry joint feeling after using too much oral progesterone; it felt analogous to taking a small AI dose. I dropped the progesterone and everything retuned to normal. There is citation in the literature about progesterone competing with estrogen. However, progesterone is...

Awesome story! The work of Dr. Dullnig, followed by Dr. Jekot and yourself is inspiring.

This may be the singular most meaningful post I’ve ready on Excelmale. Thank you for your candidness and insights @Nelson Vergel . Mental health and AAS is an incredibly important topic

I am the exact same as you in this regard. Most guys cycling steroids exhibit some degree of decreased mental health; most of whom when asked deny it despite a clear degradation to observers. I don’t think you are an anomaly. However, the doses you use are very low in a bodybuilding context. I...

TRT patient here who started exogenous testosterone at 19. One cycle; no recovery. Dedicated much of my free time in my early 20s to bodybuilding. Psychological effects of high dose stacked cycles are pronounced in many individuals; social paranoia, aggression, domestic violence, insomnia...

Here is the problem; you’re expectations of what it takes to maintain a state of leanness with noteworthy muscle mass is off. Very few individuals can maintain a noteworthy lean body with impressive muscle mass without perfect diet; that is one of the biggest differentiators. Steroids...