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I appreciate all the responses here, this thread is a great learning tool among the many here.

Looks like you have some sort of Autoimmunity issue going on (High TPO, and RT3) as Vince said maybe start with that before TRT. insulin is high also. There are others here who can help with more details on that.

How much EOD?

I had the same thoughts, I loved the information, but the way they delivered the information was condescending and arrogant. For the older guys, I kept thinking of Muttley the dog cartoon the way jay kept laughing.

I am looking for more thoughts about this also, in particular compounded TRT creams.

I know this is an old thread, I would love to hear updates on the compounded cream guys out there. Still working? major drawbacks? Major upsides??

Hmmm... this is interesting. Thought the sensitive test was needed in men period. As the non sensitive was designed around women’s values (or something like that) don’t quote men that.

Don’t know enough about Clomid, but are you saying just mono clomid therapy at the start to see how it would have gone??

I am in the process of embarking on my own TRT journey. I have received some great advice here and am grateful for this site and the people on it, certainly helps this process become understandable and hopefully easier. So my question to anyone who cares to answer. Going back to YOUR day 1...

I’m on board, it’s always been in my mind to do this for the health benefits and to function at a higher level as I age. I got a lot of life left to live mind as well make optimal as I can get it.

I hear ya Gman, my levels are all pretty low. (other than SHBG) I think I'm probably used to feeling like shit, although I am not very moody, most of my symptoms are physical. We will see, I am getting paperwork together now, need to get physical sheet signed off (this will take the most time)...

Thanks. With all the discussion about estradiol and the use of AI, of which I'd like to avoid. I mean it's been said many times on this site E follows T so I'd like to put that into practice by using T to control any E issues. HCG would not be out of the picture for me, just would like to see...

I want to also say to everyone who contributes here, THANKS. I have gained lots of reassurance and knowledge about embarking on TRT.

Last time someone said trust me I ended up with 2 kids (LOL, just kidding of course) I appreciate your advice, it holds a lot of weight with me. you seem to contribute a lot to this site.

I could care less about balls (unless they shrivel real badly) or kids, I'm done with that. My labs are on another thread. I'm questioning if Defy would be a good fit for me?

"Standard Protocol" I am trying to learn, but have read many places here on this board that the more you start with the more confusing it is to figure issues out, and dial things in. Also It seems to that and AI should only be added when symptoms arise?? I'm feeling more confused, but as I said...

I have been pouring through threads here, absorbing lots of info as I am likely to start TRT therapy at 52 yo. One question I have is about Defy. It seems that Defy likes to start everyone off with TRT, HCG, and a AI. I am basing this off of threads I have read. Is this correct?? When I do...

Well said, thanks again from one RN to another.

I'm the kind of person who committed myself to avoid any pharmaceutical drugs, I do believe by proper diet, exercise and managing our emotions we do not need them. To me the side effects are not worth it. I am a mind says go kind of guy, I like to push myself physically and mentally, but I can...

Thanks, I appreciate your input.

what where your methods to lower SHBG?

Thanks for elaborating, this is helpful. To answer your question, yes I am hesitant to jump into TRT. I have read the good and the bad, but what seems to a constant (I may be wrong) is the chronic tweaking of dosing involved. Yes, some seem to get dialed in, but it seems its always involves...

I have not done deload weeks, but I'm going to do so. I'm usually just forced into stopping for a few weeks due to how I feel. I don't think its over training, I do 2 muscle groups per day with no more than 8 sets per group. I do 2 days on then do a cardio, yoga, stretching day then another 2...

appreciate your input, I will need to get those thyroid numbers. Disappointing to hear the Pregnenolone test is useless, why would they even offer it? I was responding to gman86 who indeed said "TRT is the answer"

I would appreciate if you could elaborate a bit more as to why TRT is the answer??

My thinking was considering my levels, that may be a good thing??

Hi all, 52 yo 180lbs, probably around 18-20% BF, small framed, pretty healthy I take no meds, I workout pretty consistently, until I go through what feels like a energy, brain fog, lasting soreness, major achy joints, weakness, after 4-6 weeks into lifting and some light cardio. I don't feel...

Chris, thanks again, I appreciate your time and knowledge. I will get the full thyroid labs done. My DHEA is 312 and I believe thats a good level for men, so it would seen its not being stolen to make cortisol. I have read about pregnenolone steal, and this pathway in regards to stress, I...

Chris, Thanks for your input, I know the saliva x4 cortisol is the most accurate way to measure cortisol, but trying to get MD's to order it or argee to is like trying to talk a cat off a fish truck. I also tried on the RT3 with no luck. I will get these labs done one way or another. My T4...

Nelson, I take no prescription meds, and occasionally supp with zinc, q10, vitc, b12, mag, and dialy vit d. you are correct about the carbs, I didn't realize there was a connection between trig levels and carbs I am low carb, 95% gluten free, and find it difficult to obtain enough carbs...

Other labs THYROID TSH 1.48 free T4 2.1 total T4 5.5 T3 uptake 38 flagged high LIPIDS TOTAL CHOL 260 trigs 66 LDH 170 HDL 77