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Hey guys, having a bit of trouble with my TRT protocol. I'm just not feeling as good as I was and the only thing that has changed is the brand of HCG I'm using. For the longest time I was using Pregnyl HCG because it was covered by my insurance and only cost me $12/mo even when I was getting x3...

500iu x2 a week.

I've been on HCG for almost the entire time that I've been on TRT. I ran out a few months ago because my insurance stopped covering it so I decided to just see what happens. Didn't take long for my balls to shrink, weak orgasms, and I just didn't feel as good. I definitely got more tired and...

What dosage of adderall were you on and for how long? Did you taper or go cold turkey?

Yes, you can reconstitute the HCG with whatever amount of bac water you want. You just have to do the math. I use 10,000iu vials with 3ml of bac water. Each vial lasts me 2.5 months(yes I know it gets really weak toward the end). I pin twice a week and have had zero problem with the rubber over...

What brand of cream are you using? Did you switch to a new tube of cream, or are you using cream from the same tube that you got high numbers on? One possibility is that you've gotten a bad batch. I've also found that application sites, and washing the area immediately before applying is...

For me, HCG keep my testicles somewhat full but not 100%. The main thing is that my orgasms suck without it. 500iu x2 per week does it for me. I'm still using the Pregnyl I have from when I was on HCG Mono nearly two years ago. My endo hooked me up at the time, unfortunately I'm down to 2 or 3...

I have a similar story. I started TRT in 2017 with a TT of 260-380 with all of the symptoms. After over a year on Injections/HCG and trying all sorts of combinations I felt awful no matter what I did, and all of my symptoms got worse. My ED was terrible and I had to resort to Trimix at age...

Very interesting, thank you! I should have specified x1 per day application. I'm showing peaks with similar numbers to you 3 hours after application of 150mg (x1 click to scrotum, x2 clicks one to each shoulder). I plan to test my trough at my next labs as it seems nobody has really tested...

Thank you all for the replies! My girlfriend has had her IUD removed and here PCP ordered a surprisingly thorough set of labs for her to tell her thyroid and sex hormones. If there's an issue with her hormones then it looks like we'll give Defy a chance!

Has anyone here on the creams tested their trough levels? If so, what are your peak levels for comparison?

Have you tested your trough on tropicals?

Very strange, I haven't tried androgel but I have been on cream for over a year now and have had great results. I don't have ups or downs, and have even gone 30 hours in-between doses with no change in how I feel.

I know that this could probably go in the Women HRT subforum, but that barely gets any traffic so I hope that this is okay. Do any of you guys have wives or girlfriends that go through Defy for HRT? If so, what are there experiences with Defy? I'm just hoping that they'll have the same...

Sorry for not getting back to you sooner, yes my libido is pretty solid on this protocol and honestly I think the HCG helps a little bit too. Not that I'm aware of, but I have been feeling exceptionally well over the past several months and perhaps the HCG has something to do with it?

3 clicks is 150mg for the strength I'm using.

Couldn't agree more. I've taken adderall recreationally and I've had it both ways. I've had it make it very hard to orgasm, only to have a weak orgasm. Other times adderall seemed to enhance my orgasms. My girlfriend has tried all sorts of SSRI's, and other antidepressants and without...

Correct! I think so, I tried many different dosages and intervals of HCG with T-cyp. I did T-cyp by itself, and even did HCG Mono too. In the case of using the 500iu x2wk with the cream, I only do it for orgasms and testicle volume. I was doing the Cream for a good 6months before adding the...

For me, 3 hours post application have given the highest numbers.

Very interesting article, I have tested high on Cortisol and the cream works well for me(see post above). I'm always at the top of or over the range in both blood and saliva tests. Negative for Cushings or anything like that. I haven't tested Cortisol since starting the cream however. Ever...

I've been on the cream for nearly a year now. I've settled on 3 clicks in the AM. (1 on scrotum, 2 on shoulders) I also inject ~500iu HCG twice a week to keep my testicles plump and orgasms good. TT 800-900 ng/dL 3 hours after injection with e2 around 20-30pg,mL. It hasn't fixed my ED 100%...

I figure I might as well share where I'm at nearly 2 years after first replying to this thread! I saw an ENT a few months after my first post on March of '18. I do have some hearing damage, but I also had negative pressure in my right ear. I was prescribed anti-inflammatory nasal spray, and I...

Where did you get yours? Looking to order a bottle soon.

Looking for feedback from guys taking doxasozin. I have been taking 1mg in the morning for a few weeks now to help combat ED. Mild improvements, especially when combined with a PDE5. My problem though is that ever since I started taking it, I sleep HARD. Like go into a coma for 7-9 hours, and...

Just to make sure that I'm reading correctly your current LH/FSH is ~2 with a Total Testosterone of 500. Clomid will take your LH/FSH to their physiological maximum, likely around 10. That will stimulate your testicles to their max also, and there are reports of guys saying that their testicles...

I've done it countless times, no worries. The big things for me are timing, the Cialis take a while before it kicks in, where the Viagra kicks in pretty fast. Empty stomach for best results, a heavy high fat meal and Viagra doesn't absorb at all for me(no stuffed nose, no flushing, no erection...

Got a link to that thread sh1973?

My thoughts, If I were to go the HCG route to reverse testicular atrophy I would shoot for a short 4-8 week cycle of HCG at moderate dosages with labs after a few weeks to see how you're responding. Some guys can do pretty well at 500iu a few times a week, whereas other need 1000iu EOD to get...

Good point man, I've never thought about the close proximity. So I can't help but wonder, is PSA the only thing that we need to do when monitor out prostate health if there are no physical symptoms? Thanks for the report of shoulders giving you higher numbers, hopefully I'll get these labs done...

No hair issues yet at 28yrs old, hair is as thick as ever with no shedding. Since starting the cream, my beard has been filling out a litter better, and back/arm hair has increased a little too. IIRC, Dr. Saya said some guys applying 2-3 clicks to the scrotum were getting DHT levels of...

My bad, added the link. I asked Dr. Saya and he said the rib cage or shoulders are fine. I decided against other areas for fear of transferring it to my GF. I want to keep the application sites under clothing so that there is no direct skin contact with her or furniture. I may try other areas...