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5 weeks of 90mg a week. what I’ve noticed - gaining size and some strength, improved elbow joints, no improvement in left shoulder impingement, no improvement in left knee soreness due to tendon inflammation under patella. Feel more alive but that might be entirely just a placebo thing...

That’s not really true. I realise there is a placebo effect that might play a part but I’ve been curling on biceps weekly since introducing deca 5 weeks ago and I could not have got much beyond two weekly bicep curling sessions before this without my elbows seriously aching and causing...

I’m wondering whether existing TRT without deca and effective training regime wouldn’t be sufficient to retain your gains? I hope so as I’ll be in the same position several weeks from now. If not then it would suggest the gains are super normal and therefore cannot be retained without continuing...

I reduced T slightly by about 20mg per week to 120mg with deca at 90mg per week. I think I could drop the T a bit more as given the muscle gain I suspect I’m taking more than I need and was above free and total T range in my last 2 blood tests but not excessively. This was before deca being...

Depends on your purpose. 200mg a week is quite a hefty dose and would make it difficult for you to retain a good ratio with T if that is what you wanted to do. I’ve noticed a material improvement in elbow joints in 5 weeks on 90mg a week and gained about 4kgs without any obvious increase in...

Deca.

My elbows have been much improved on wk 5 of 90mg per week. Trying to stay sensible and respect my joints but it’s sooooo good to be able to curl with a decent weight again. When you love your gym training it’s hard for a non trained person to appreciate the value this has on overall...

3000 IU HCG EOD 25-50 mg Clomid ED (2) After 2-3 months, conduct second semen analysis: IF fertility isn't achieved, replace Clomid with FSH @ 75-150 IU EOD This is close to what I proposed at the thread start albeit skipping the clomid option and trying a lesser dose of hcg whilst remaining on...

It terms of desired result that was my understanding and went with hmg due to cost and availability

This report was very informative, but was not conclusive about dosages required to return to fertility when combining hcg and hmg. It did however refer to the use of 1500iu and 3000iu of hcg in certain cases. It also suggests coming off TRT, which presents further issues if that isn’t your...

Used mk677 several times. No sides at all and felt generally better although never got my levels tested to prove any actually change.

Hi Vince, Some further insight would be useful on your post. hmg is part of fertility protocol with hcg whilst on trt. Lose dose nandrolone was to help with joint issues that had been curtailing training. I assume the use of nandrolone may conflict with the fertility protocol?

Many thanks. I was aware of the desensitisation risk, although was unaware of the advantage of EOD dosing of HCG. This would also be more cost effective, albeit secondary to the main purpose.

That’s interesting as the studies published in this thread all indicated using a restorative dose of 1500mg and greater. bear in mind I was using 500iu every 3 days during my TRT programme for the last year and it didn’t maintain my fertility. I thought the half life of hcg was approx 3 days...

Made an error and used a needle that I had previously used to inject hmg mixed with bac water for my deca shot and had to push some deca oil back into the vial as large air gaps were there and decided to just draw afresh. This put a small residual amount of the hmg mix into the deca oil so the...

Just thought I’d update on my journey on thus topic Have been on 500iu of hcg every 3 days and additionally hmg 75iu EOD whilst remaining on TRT and 90mg of deca weekly for joints primarily. perhaps somewhat optimistically was hoping to get the wife pregnant in month one of this new protocol...

Interested to also understand your reason for starting trt, which was to address high shbg. Are you trying any other methods less dramatic to assist with this such as boron supplements?

I echo this. Training hard for over 35 years and it comes down to looking after your joints. I don’t do any barbell work due to the stress it placed on my elbows. Adapt and keep adapting will keep you in the gym longer into older age. Also stay away from ego lifting and slow down every...

Need to get some new bloods done too. 4 weeks into 90mg of deca and have noticed weight gain (seems muscle but could be at least part water) and some strength gain. No obvious different sides apart from some positive response to elbow discomfort both sides, although still have sore left knee and...

I started hmg 3 weeks ago 75iu EOD. Hoping it has put some power back into my sorry sperm to get the missus pregnant, as hcg alone didn’t work, albeit my supply was from various suppliers not all of which I felt 100% about purity. Now have prgnyl again and so have no doubt about it. bought 2...

Can’t say I notice any difference

Did your free T levels change or were these unaffected by deca?

Just use now foods supplement. Daily. Hcg didn’t work and took it religiously 500iu every 3 days but had inconsistent brands and did question the authenticity of some of the vials I got from one supplier no longer in business. Back to a reputable brand now with hmg to get fertility back. 1...

This is such a frank and true assessment. 36 years of regular weight training and I am managing joint issues, shoulder, elbows, knees. All the usual culprits. It comes down to getting sensible and training to prolong your physical health, your hobbies and general sense of being a man and not...

As already stated blood at the start, after 6 weeks and then every 3 months, but depending on how you are feeling and whether you are adjusting protocol. That was the advice I had at the outset and think it was good advice. Was also recommended to opt for more frequent and lower dose...

Fair point although I’m still of a mindset that even smaller doses will have some adverse health effects, which cycling might limit? I’m only on week 2 and I seem to have gained1kg in weight and increased strength. 20 full body pull-ups achieved yesterday and previous pb was 18 several months...

That’s the kind of trt protocol that seems sensible. I’m still unclear how much test ought to be reduced once deca is introduced to prevent t levels going too high. How long have you been on this protocol? Any sides?

One needs to balance risk and reward as best as possible. For joint health it seems quite a low dose is adequate and 100mg per week suggested. Perhaps even lower might be equally effective. Anything more than what is necessary doesn’t seem sensible from a TRT perspective. Surely even 100mg...

Surprised by such a high dosage of test and deca as a TRT protocol. Recently started 90mg per week with 120mg of test per week as a trial for joints and wellbeing. So far just week 1 but feel good

No. Not donating. Seeing GP to cover the risk of some form of inflammatory issue with the bowel as a precaution

Always had a low ferratin level over the past few years that’s I’ve monitored bloods but the last 2 tests it dropped below the normal range. I started to supplement with iron and vitaminC a month prior to my last test but my ferratin levels only marginally improved and remain below normal...