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Equel, learn how to spell. If I had seen this prior to starting this thread, I would have posted it. I literally just saw it today. Again, Jay barely says a word during this lecture. The doc does all the talking. Forget about Jay. I'm interested in learning more about this topic and this...

No troll... I absolutely assure you. Should you watch it, and disagree with the whole thing, by all means say so. No harm done.

@Simon7 - you state "is not preventing it". You realize that it is an aromataze inhibitor. The simple act of inhibiting something means that it is preventing it. In this case, it is preventing a portion of it from occurring. I also asked for evidence as to how this 20-30 range we were all...

@Simon7 ... careful... @Cataceous I gave her 20mg. I kid you not, we went at it like rabbits for 3 days and she had this aggressive demeanor about her. After the fact she stated she felt slightly "out of control" and said she wouldn't want to touch the stuff again. @Vince Carter , I didn't...

@tmaxey1 question for you: Say the guy actually has 200 for E2. What happens if, while having that, he also has T at 3000 (just to exaggerate the example)? Would he still grow tits? Would he have ANY symptoms? Is it at all possible, and I'm speculating here, that he might even feel just fine...

@Cataceous there's high and then there's HIGH. There's a bit of a difference from 50 and 300. Also, there is a big difference between the way males and females react to hormones. I gave my wife a TINY dose of test at one point and the reaction was almost hilarious.

As high as a woman? Do you know what women's levels of estrogen's levels are? It's hardly the same.

There was a point way back when I started where my Total T measured as +1500 (the test wasn't sensitive enough to go higher) while experimenting with 200mg compounded cream with no AI and my E2 was 50. Now taking 30mg SubQ a day with no AI - zero symptoms. Tmaxey1, we both have the wife with...

Not as good as I feel now. Not by a long shot. The biggest benefit has been sleep. Fall asleep in minutes and sleep the entire night. I never had that before. I have no idea where my E2 is now. It could be 100+ for all I know.

On a dose of 0.25mg twice a week, my E2 was at 35-40. As per your ideal ranges, that would not be considered 'too low'. Might I ask in return how you can back up your own claims about 20-30 range as being ideal? What study demonstrates that? I know we have all read it and that's what I once...

@Simon7 there's another issue now that I'm going through the study. Look at how low their testosterone levels were. 13.07 nmol/L is only 376.7 ng/dl. Sure, if their E2 was high and their test was that low perhaps it would cause problems. What is their test was at 1500 ng/dl? What then...

@Simon7 they are not specifying what level they actually determined to be 'HIGH'.

@Simon7 you are indeed correct. That study simply won't do from an evidence perspective. I didn't see the dosage they were giving the rats and, I agree, the dose is beyond ridiculous. The question remains - is it at least 'possible' that even trace amounts of the stuff can be detrimental...

@Simon7 , are you stating that what I just supplied is NOT sufficient evidence in your opinion?

I feel that there are some conspiracy theorists here. I mention that AI's are toxic to biological systems (and I said that because the majority of studies have been done on rats so I specifically avoided saying 'humans'), and because someone else online used the same phrase you have concluded...

I can confirm that I am not Jay Campbell. I can also confirm that I don't know who 'speed' is other than he seems to agree with some of my points. The lack of critical thinking part makes me giggle since my entire career is based on critical thinking and I missed 4 points on my Mensa entrance...

@HealthMan if you think that SERMS eliminate all gyno I would have to say you are the ignorant one. I'd had mild gyno since I was a teen and I've tried EVERYTHING. Tamoxifen, getting lean, weight training, diet changes, lowering E2 to drastic levels... the gyno is still there. The only thing...

@HealthMan I can say the same. Keeping E2 low is BAD. Taking an AI is toxic no matter the dose and it's BAD. Does that simplify things? I have not changed the subject.

@HealthMan go back and see the links I posted. Keeping E2 that low eliminates all of the benefits that E2 has to offer in the first place.

Guys, forgive me for my oversight, but I just realized something. Isn't this Nelson Vergel's site? Isn't he totally against using an AI? Or did he change his position on this? If you think doctor's aren't letting guys walk around with an E2 of less than 10, think again. I know of one famous...

@HealthMan there are guys here that keep there E2 below 10 for crissakes. Even below 30 with high T... it just doesn't make sense as the balance between the two no longer exists. It gets completely out of whack.

Anyway guys. Not here to argue. You can do as you wish with what I shared. I will never go back to using an AI. In fact, I can almost swear that I feel like my body is healing from the damage the stuff did to it... and feeling better and better with every passing day. This is knowledge like...

And this: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199906103402306?fbclid=IwAR3S-7jC8epvccDUvdjUesurNr5g0U68w7qvvZ4jxP_Jln0QnOxDNzY00lk

I was micro dosing as well. 0.25mg twice a week. Sometimes only once a week. Then I started reading stuff outside the forums like this: Testosterone inhibits early atherogenesis by conversion to estradiol: Critical role of aromatase

So just to confirm, you're taking a drug that I'm not taking. Yet my recommendation is dangerous? This is dangerous: Medscape: Medscape Access

There is quite a bit of content by Dr Neal Rouzier. Too many to link here. There was one I caught a few weeks ago where he discussed Estrogen in men and talked about AI use: Mods, again, delete as necessary I don't want to link to anything you guys don't like for any reason I don't know about.

Here's one I read lately that was good with tons of links to studies at the bottom. For some reason the page was taking long to load just now so be patient if it happens to you as well. It was posted just a few days ago and covered...

@HealthMan if everyone ended a conversation anytime someone made a statement that others disagreed with, we would still be living in caves. Nobody is forcing you to be here. You keep coming back on your own. If I strike you as someone 'unknowledgeable' with everything I just shared then I...

It's 'Ignorance is bliss'. If you're going to use it, at least get it right ;-)

@Cataceous I wouldn't accept your unverified claims also so no worries there. Replying to everyone here and then I will send the links in a separate post. The mods can delete them if they see fit. I'm not here to cause any trouble with anyone. Driving estrogen too low is terrible (which is...

OK guys, just got in. I am going to reply to all of it right now. Give me a few minutes. Sorry for the delay.. the wife works me hard ;-)