On TRT over a year... feeling great but...

Hello guys...

So been on TRT over a year...

Started at 100mg divided in to two doses weekly... felt great, labs were great as well, I finally started to gain muscle at they gym but after 6-7 months started to feel lethargic again, and lost a lot of muscle but my strength remained more or less the same... so I upped the dose to 150mg and felt great again, muscle gain, libido energy all up...

4-5 Months and started to lose muscle and hit a wall at the gym... libido a bit down... feel ok, much better than pre-trt but is there maybe something I should supplement with as well to keep feeling great?

Thanks!
JC
 
That sounds strange, to gain muscle initially and then lose lots of it on the same regimen. Something doesn't check out.
 
Hello guys...

So been on TRT over a year...

Started at 100mg divided in to two doses weekly... felt great, labs were great as well, I finally started to gain muscle at they gym but after 6-7 months started to feel lethargic again, and lost a lot of muscle but my strength remained more or less the same... so I upped the dose to 150mg and felt great again, muscle gain, libido energy all up...

4-5 Months and started to lose muscle and hit a wall at the gym... libido a bit down... feel ok, much better than pre-trt but is there maybe something I should supplement with as well to keep feeling great?

Thanks!
JC

Need to post your labs here!

Much more going on than just having healthy hormones when it comes to libido/erectile function which are both multifactorial.

Having a healthy FT is only one piece of the puzzle as libido let alone ED are multifactorial.

Getting quality sleep, minimizing stress (physical/mental), following a healthy diet, exercising/staying active, improving overall vascular health will have a far bigger impact than jacking up your trough FT!

Have realistic expectations especially when it comes to libido and erectile function!

Hope you understand that every time you increase the dose and drive up FT there will be a mini-honeymoon period where it's common for one to experience an increase in libido and erections, euphoric type feeling due to T levels rising, increased dopamine/AR activity as hormones will be in flux during the weeks leading up until blood levels have stabilized (4-6 weeks TC/TE).

During this transition period (first 4-6 weeks) the body is trying to adjust.

Unfortunately this is short-lived and temporary as once blood levels have stabilized (4-6 weeks TC/TE) the body will eventually adapt (over the next few months) to its new set-point and the increased libido and erections, euphoric type feeling will eventually wane more what we call into the norm.

This mini-honeymoon period is common when starting testosterone therapy or tweaking your protocol (increasing dose of T).

Do not expect to maintain a stellar libido in the long-run as many other factors come into play here.

Higher FT does not mean higher libido let alone better erections.

Now when it comes to changes in body composition (increase muscle, loss adipose) and increased strength/recovery on testosterone therapy running a higher trough/steady-state FT will be more advantageous when following a proper training/diet regiment.

Even than genetics will have the final say.

If you are following a proper diet/training protocol than you will derive more anabolic benefits injecting 200 mg T/week vs 100.

Even then in the long-run you will only derive so much using therapeutic doses of T.

This is why men abuse T/AAS beyond/well beyond therapeutic doses to take full advantage of gaining muscle/strength well beyond their natty genetic set-point.

If you are hitting a healthy trough FT level on your current protocol which is most likely a given and you are following a proper diet/training regiment than you should not be losing any muscle!

Diet is key when it comes to maintaining/gaining muscle.





*The male sexual response cycle is complex and the exact role of testosterone in mediating libido, arousal, erection, ejaculation, and orgasm is multifactorial

*This hormone isn’t the only biological factor with clear, substantial power over our libidos
 
If your strength remained the same, likely no muscle loss. But maybe water weight/fat. I would check estradiol levels you may be low. what are your levels at 150mg?

I will also go ahead and say it as well. Ignore Madman's posts , he has become a copy and paste of the same stuff over and over. The only thing you will get out of him is your dose is to high , FT is to high, He is right and your wrong.
 
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Thanks so much madman... will do labs tomorrow, any particular ones I should do?

We always want to test at the true trough (lowest point) before your next injection.

Trough TT and more importantly FT, estradiol and you can throw SHBG in there too!
 
If your strength remained the same, likely no muscle loss. But maybe water weight/fat. I would check estradiol levels you may be low. what are your levels at 150mg?

I will also go ahead and say it as well. Ignore Madman's posts , he has become a copy and paste of the same stuff over and over. The only thing you will get out of him is your dose is to high , FT is to high, He is right and your wrong.

LMFAO!

Never said his dose of T let alone FT was too high!

He never even posted labs so we need to tease out where his trough FT truly sits on said protocol (dose of T/injection frequency) CHAMP!

You are clearly clueless!




The only thing you will get out of him is your dose is to high , FT is to high, He is right and your wrong

Yet as I have stated numerous times in my replies on the forum:

If one feels great overall, minus any sides and blood markers are healthy than I see no issue running a high-end/high trough within reason.

Do what you feel is best for you!

Might want to throw that in there CHAMP before putting words in peoples mouths!

You need to think more deeply before shooting off at the mouth!

Dime a dozen club at it's finest LOL!

Bunch of generic f**king clones still lurking on here!
 
If your strength remained the same, likely no muscle loss. But maybe water weight/fat. I would check estradiol levels you may be low. what are your levels at 150mg?

I will also go ahead and say it as well. Ignore Madman's posts , he has become a copy and paste of the same stuff over and over. The only thing you will get out of him is your dose is to high , FT is to high, He is right and your wrong.

Let that sink in your dome son!

It's called kicking some f**king reality here!





Throw this in there too while you are at it!

Put the nail in the coffin here!

This is coming from the man who would be considered the father of testosterone who has made huge contributions regarding testosterone therapy and men's health let alone has treated 1000s of men over decades!

Would be considered one of the top heavyweights when it comes to (research/clinical experience) in the field of hormone replacement therapy!

Puts most endos to shame when it comes to treating symptoms vs numbers!

Even then one of the main points he always stresses:


Dr.Abraham Morgentaler

* what's important to understand though is that the concept of testosterone therapy in theory is designed to replicate youthful levels of testosterone to help people who are deficient in this hormone, the goal isn't to make them into supermen and the real question is why do people want to go above normal if at all, much of the concept of treating up lets say a 1000 let's say our normal upper limit, in the anti-aging community or age management community there are some people who believe the there's an optimal level of testosterone that may be 1200 or 1500 or even I've heard 1800 and the basis for that is WEAK!
 
Hello guys...

So been on TRT over a year...

Started at 100mg divided in to two doses weekly... felt great, labs were great as well, I finally started to gain muscle at they gym but after 6-7 months started to feel lethargic again, and lost a lot of muscle but my strength remained more or less the same... so I upped the dose to 150mg and felt great again, muscle gain, libido energy all up...

4-5 Months and started to lose muscle and hit a wall at the gym... libido a bit down... feel ok, much better than pre-trt but is there maybe something I should supplement with as well to keep feeling great?

Thanks!
JC
As others have mentioned, there is a lot of information missing. Has your weight gone back down, or are you just thinking you’ve lost muscle because of how you look. Like pointed out above, you could be holding less water weight as your body adjusts to find its new equilibrium, though it should be noted strength and muscle mass are closely related but it’s possible to lose muscle while retaining strength(there is a large neurological aspect to strength separate from muscle mass).


How is your lifestyle? Going off the very little info we have, I’d say a possibility is that you initially felt great due to raising your dopamine baseline. Then once you adjusted to that, those positive benefits diminished. Bump it up and you’ll once again raise the dopamine baseline, but once you get used to it you’ll eventually revert back to your old feelings, as the root cause(s) of the feelings of lack will reemerge. How is your job? Social relationships? Intimate relationships? Any hobbies or interests that you pursue? All of these are key aspects to the human experience and are critical for having a fulfilling life. Lots of times people will attempt to fill those voids with drugs or other vices(or hormones) but ultimately those things need to be worked on in your life. Testosterone can play a huge role in getting the momentum going, or even outright change your outlook on life. But if those areas are lacking and you aren’t doing things to live a life more aligned with how we’re designed to live with those regards then it’s likely the same old feelings that drove you to seek out trt in the first place will creep their way back into your mindset.
 
Hello Phil,

It very well could be the honey moon phase, about my body weight has not come down, but I did gain fat and lost muscle per body composition test, Diet has remained the same...

I train 5 days a week weightlifting only, reasonably hard.

Job is moderately stressful, Social and intimate are great. One thing I noticed on intimate relationships is that I take very little time to reach orgasm after penetration... maybe 30-60 seconds which is also something I would like to look into... I feel my life is pretty balanced and more so with TRT.
 
Hello guys...

So been on TRT over a year...

Started at 100mg divided in to two doses weekly... felt great, labs were great as well, I finally started to gain muscle at they gym but after 6-7 months started to feel lethargic again, and lost a lot of muscle but my strength remained more or less the same... so I upped the dose to 150mg and felt great again, muscle gain, libido energy all up...

4-5 Months and started to lose muscle and hit a wall at the gym... libido a bit down... feel ok, much better than pre-trt but is there maybe something I should supplement with as well to keep feeling great?

Thanks!
JC
Have you ever consider using HCG along with your testosterone? You could also try creatine.
 
Hello Phil,

It very well could be the honey moon phase, about my body weight has not come down, but I did gain fat and lost muscle per body composition test, Diet has remained the same...

I train 5 days a week weightlifting only, reasonably hard.

Job is moderately stressful, Social and intimate are great. One thing I noticed on intimate relationships is that I take very little time to reach orgasm after penetration... maybe 30-60 seconds which is also something I would like to look into... I feel my life is pretty balanced and more so with TRT.
Glad to hear so many areas are going great. In many ways it sounds like a classic case of the honeymoon phase, but the loss of muscle would make consider that there may be other factors at play(though not sure what they would be). I’ve been on trt for almost four years and am in better shape physically than I’ve ever been, and I say that as someone who has been a consistent lifter for 15 years(and better physique as well while only lifting 3 days/week).


On the topic of HCG, that’s something I added to my protocol very early on(within 6 months of starting trt). I feel better with it as part of my protocol, but it’s something that is very individual to the person and some people don’t like it at all. On the hormone front the other main ones that come to mind are DHEA and vitamin D. Might want to add those tests as well if you haven’t been doing so. Then compare to your tests throughout the year to see how things look now vs when you felt your best.
 
Will purchase HCG today at 500ui Mondays and Thursdays with TRT injection... will see how it goes, not interested in fertility but my testicles shrunk big time...

Already taking DHEA and Vitamin D... tests are ok on that front...

Thanks so much for all the info!
 
Will purchase HCG today at 500ui Mondays and Thursdays with TRT injection... will see how it goes, not interested in fertility but my testicles shrunk big time...

Already taking DHEA and Vitamin D... tests are ok on that front...

Thanks so much for all the info!
Nelson started HCG and it helped him get his libido back.
 
I had this happen 3 or 4 times over the first couple of years. I had started a very physical job a couple months after starting and felt great for a few months then I started to feel a little worse.

Went in for my 3 month bloods and the total T had dropped quite a bit from previous months. The doc said this was because I was "using it up" doing more physical labor and needed to go up on the dosage. To me that sounded silly, but seems to be spot on. I'm sure there's a real explanation for this "using it up" thing.

I'm at a little over double the dose than when I first started almost 2 years ago and holding steady. Maybe all the exercise you've been doing since you started is why it dropped? I would just get tested and see if your total and free test is holding steady.
 

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