How to raise free T

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Hi all. To raise free T does one have to just take more testosterone. My testosterone levels are in ref range but my free t is low. Always has been even When in 200-300 mg of test a week .I have been on trt for four years trying to increase my Libido and help my ED. After four years I've stopped trt as the free t wasn't increasing. After 10 months off trt my available test, lh and fsh are all good but the freeT still low. Shbg is high and have tried boron but not helping.. I've recently spoke to a doc who's actually said shgb doesn't bond to free t

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Hi all. To raise free T does one have to just take more testosterone. My testosterone levels are in ref range but my free t is low. Always has been even When in 200-300 mg of test a week .I have been on trt for four years trying to increase my Libido and help my ED. After four years I've stopped trt as the free t wasn't increasing. After 10 months off trt my available test, lh and fsh are all good but the freeT still low. Shbg is high and have tried boron but not helping.. I've recently spoke to a doc who's actually said shgb doesn't bond to free t

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Needed to be more clear here.

Rare that anyone would have a hard time achieving a healthy/high FT injecting 200 mg T/week.

Hard to even fathom that one could have subpar FT injecting 200-300 mg T/week!

The majority of men can easily hit a healthy let alone high trough FT injecting 100-150 mg T/week especially when split into more frequent injections.

Everyone so caught up on needing to drive down SHBG

Even if your SHBG never budged increasing T will drive up FT!
 
What was your dose for these labs, when did you draw blood in relation to the time of the last shot, and how are you performing the injections (IM vs subq)? And what pharmacy / brand of testosterone was used?
 
You have posted numerous labs on here over the years and although you have had high SHBG your labs have been all over the place as some have you hitting a high/very high TT with a healthy FT (higher-end dose) and others have you hitting a descent TT but sub-par FT (100 mg T/week).

As you should know when testing labs always need to be done after steady-state is reached and at the true trough lowest point before next injection.

Need to always use the same lab/same assays (most accurate).

Protocol (dose of T/injection frequency) needs to be kept consistent.

Need to mindful of how you fare injecting IM vs sub-q if you have tried both as some men do have issues hitting good T levels when injecting sub-q let alone feel worse off.
 
You have posted numerous labs on here over the years and although you have had high SHBG your labs have been all over the place as some have you hitting a high/very high TT with a healthy FT (higher-end dose) and others have you hitting a descent TT but sub-par FT (100 mg T/week).

As you should know when testing labs always need to be done after steady-state is reached and at the true trough lowest point before next injection.

Need to always use the same lab/same assays (most accurate).

Protocol (dose of T/injection frequency) needs to be kept consistent.

Need to mindful of how you fare injecting IM vs sub-q if you have tried both as some men do have issues hitting good T levels when injecting sub-q let alone feel worse off.
Always take bloods at the same time. In a trough always have tired IM and sub q both the same. Yes I've posted many times before and never been able to get the free t high enough to poss give me a great Libido. Something's wrong
 
Always take bloods at the same time. In a trough always have tired IM and sub q both the same. Yes I've posted many times before and never been able to get the free t high enough to poss give me a great Libido. Something's wrong

You have been on the forum since 2014 and have tried out numerous TTh protocols since 2017 some which resulted in healthy let alone a very high FT!

Mind you in one of your older threads I posted below the results seem odd for TT which is insanely high 2913 ng/dL!

Your calculated FT would have been through the roof as in a cFTV 67.2 ng/dL!

If you truly have achieved healthy/high FT levels on some of your previous protocols than it is not your FT that is the issue.

What really stands out in most of your threads where you have posted lab results is your low estradiol/T:E ratio which you have stated is always low even when driving up your FT!

Yet you have also tried increasing your e2 by other means with no luck when it comes to libido.

As I have stated numerous times on the forum It's a myth that one needs to have high-end let alone absurdly high FT or DHT levels in order to have a healthy libido or healthy erectile function.

Having healthy levels of FT, DHT and estradiol is what really matters and even then having healthy hormones is only one piece of the puzzle.

Libido and erectile function are complex and multifactorial and there is much more involved than just having healthy hormones.

Another thing that stands out here is you have always had higher SHBG in the 50s so even though you will need to hit a higher TT to achieve a high enough FT you could still easily achieve a healthy/high FT with a TT 900-1200 ng/dL.

As long as you can find a dose of T that will allow you to achieve a TT 900-1200 ng/dL your FT would be healthy/high!

The downfall here is that you have always struggled with low estradiol even when supposedly driving up your FT.





*The male sexual response cycle is complex and the exact role of testosterone in mediating libido, arousal, erection, ejaculation, and orgasm is multifactorial

*This hormone isn’t the only biological factor with clear, substantial power over our libidos






Hi all I went onto trt in 2017 . Doc prescribed gel for my low testosterone results. Obviously this didn't do anything so eventually I went onto nebido which was every 12 weeks then I went privately to a doctor in the UK who prescribed me testosterone cypionate and HCG.. after 2 months I had to stop the hCG we as my anxiety levels were through the roof. The doctor kept telling me I was optimised as my blood results showed good levels of testosterone and free testosterone but I still felt like s*** with no libido.. eventually left this doctor after wasting hundreds and hundreds of pounds because he didn't listen to how I felt. I moved onto scrotal cream which gave me very high levels of free testosterone still no libido. I am now on test E . I was 200mg a week but it seems I'm a hyper responder and my free t shir sky high. I've reduced the amount to 100 mg a week. I feel better sleep is better but still no libido... My E2 has always been low . Never had a good ratio between test and E2 . I thought that's it that's the key to my libido I need to increase my E2... I started HCG again with no anxiety but I felt shit . I felt totally crap on it and moody and aggressive. Also I'd never raised my E2 . So I decided to stop and try estridol tablet 1 mg a day .. guess what . Still no libido . It's dead. If I try to have sex or jerk off its numb down there. Loss of sensitivity and I can jerk for ages and Neve climax... Has anyone got any idea on what the Fk is wrong .. my prolactin is fine. My progresteron is fine and dht was fine last October ... Please any advice is most welcome ...



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Hi thanks for the reply. . I've been on test E since Jan this year . 200 mg was advised as the doc thought it would raise my e2. The only thing it raised was my test . I started waking at 2 am every morning sweating . I was ready to take in the world... Spoke to doc who agreed to drop 100 mg of test E a week . I have been on this new amount for 8 weeks with HCG thrown in for two weeks at the start 250 iu a week but the reactions were horrible. Moody aggressive and felt like crap on it. So now I am on 1 mg of estridol a day. I have been on this estridol for three weeks and still no libido... I am going to start 2 mg soon as the new tablets arrive . For some reason it won't let me attach the lab results from march 15th so I'll type them out . These results of being on 200 mg a week. U can see the E2 to test ratio is way out . New bloods will be taken Monday coming . Just getting free T and T and E2 done . These labs below are UK ranges


Free test. 2.335 nmol/L
Shbg. 56.2. Nmol/l
Total T. 101. Nmol/L
TSH. 2.26 Miu/l
T4. 18. Pmol/l
T3. 5.5 Pmol/
Prog. 0.59 Nmol/
E2. 106 Pmol/L
 
You have been on the forum since 2014 and have tried out numerous TTh protocols since 2017 some which resulted in healthy let alone a very high FT!

Mind you in one of your older threads I posted below the results seem odd for TT which is insanely high 2913 ng/dL!

Your calculated FT would have been through the roof as in a cFTV 67.2 ng/dL!

If you truly have achieved healthy/high FT levels on some of your previous protocols than it is not your FT that is the issue.

What really stands out in most of your threads where you have posted lab results is your low estradiol/T:E ratio which you have stated is always low even when driving up your FT!

Yet you have also tried increasing your e2 by other means with no luck when it comes to libido.

As I have stated numerous times on the forum It's a myth that one needs to have high-end let alone absurdly high FT or DHT levels in order to have a healthy libido or healthy erectile function.

Having healthy levels of FT, DHT and estradiol is what really matters and even then having healthy hormones is only one piece of the puzzle.

Libido and erectile function are complex and multifactorial and there is much more involved than just having healthy hormones.

Another thing that stands out here is you have always had higher SHBG in the 50s so even though you will need to hit a higher TT to achieve a high enough FT you could still easily achieve a healthy/high FT with a TT 900-1200 ng/dL.

As long as you can find a dose of T that will allow you to achieve a TT 900-1200 ng/dL your FT would be healthy/high!

The downfall here is that you have always struggled with low estradiol even when supposedly driving up your FT.





*The male sexual response cycle is complex and the exact role of testosterone in mediating libido, arousal, erection, ejaculation, and orgasm is multifactorial

*This hormone isn’t the only biological factor with clear, substantial power over our libidos






Hi all I went onto trt in 2017 . Doc prescribed gel for my low testosterone results. Obviously this didn't do anything so eventually I went onto nebido which was every 12 weeks then I went privately to a doctor in the UK who prescribed me testosterone cypionate and HCG.. after 2 months I had to stop the hCG we as my anxiety levels were through the roof. The doctor kept telling me I was optimised as my blood results showed good levels of testosterone and free testosterone but I still felt like s*** with no libido.. eventually left this doctor after wasting hundreds and hundreds of pounds because he didn't listen to how I felt. I moved onto scrotal cream which gave me very high levels of free testosterone still no libido. I am now on test E . I was 200mg a week but it seems I'm a hyper responder and my free t shir sky high. I've reduced the amount to 100 mg a week. I feel better sleep is better but still no libido... My E2 has always been low . Never had a good ratio between test and E2 . I thought that's it that's the key to my libido I need to increase my E2... I started HCG again with no anxiety but I felt shit . I felt totally crap on it and moody and aggressive. Also I'd never raised my E2 . So I decided to stop and try estridol tablet 1 mg a day .. guess what . Still no libido . It's dead. If I try to have sex or jerk off its numb down there. Loss of sensitivity and I can jerk for ages and Neve climax... Has anyone got any idea on what the Fk is wrong .. my prolactin is fine. My progresteron is fine and dht was fine last October ... Please any advice is most welcome ...



post #3

Hi thanks for the reply. . I've been on test E since Jan this year . 200 mg was advised as the doc thought it would raise my e2. The only thing it raised was my test . I started waking at 2 am every morning sweating . I was ready to take in the world... Spoke to doc who agreed to drop 100 mg of test E a week . I have been on this new amount for 8 weeks with HCG thrown in for two weeks at the start 250 iu a week but the reactions were horrible. Moody aggressive and felt like crap on it. So now I am on 1 mg of estridol a day. I have been on this estridol for three weeks and still no libido... I am going to start 2 mg soon as the new tablets arrive . For some reason it won't let me attach the lab results from march 15th so I'll type them out . These results of being on 200 mg a week. U can see the E2 to test ratio is way out . New bloods will be taken Monday coming . Just getting free T and T and E2 done . These labs below are UK ranges


Free test. 2.335 nmol/L
Shbg. 56.2. Nmol/l
Total T. 101. Nmol/L
TSH. 2.26 Miu/l
T4. 18. Pmol/l
T3. 5.5 Pmol/
Prog. 0.59 Nmol/
E2. 106 Pmol/L
Thanks for the reply. Yes after many protocols trying everything over the years nothing really helped my libido. There was once I was on 300 mg of test s week that's when I had the high numbers but I also was suffering horrible migraines that would hurt so much . BP was high but just didn't want to start BP medication... So the high test of 300 mg obviously boosted the free t and helped the sex drive .
 
Thanks for the reply. Yes after many protocols trying everything over the years nothing really helped my libido. There was once I was on 300 mg of test s week that's when I had the high numbers but I also was suffering horrible migraines that would hurt so much . BP was high but just didn't want to start BP medication... So the high test of 300 mg obviously boosted the free t and helped the sex drive .
Do you have any other symptoms of low test? There is a lot more involved with libido than just testosterone levels. How is stress? Diet? Exercise? Sleep? Do you watch a lot of porn? How long do you go between orgasms?

Stress is probably the number one killer of libido. And the other questions mentioned above could all be playing a role in your sex drive. Perhaps you are so fixated on one variable that you are not factoring in other things that may be able to help you.
 
Thanks for the reply. Yes after many protocols trying everything over the years nothing really helped my libido. There was once I was on 300 mg of test s week that's when I had the high numbers but I also was suffering horrible migraines that would hurt so much . BP was high but just didn't want to start BP medication... So the high test of 300 mg obviously boosted the free t and helped the sex drive .

Your lab results in post #13 of my reply were on 200 mg TE/week!

If those labs were accurate (?) than your TT and more importantly FT was through the roof.

Even then when you were injecting 300 mg T/week which is not a therapeutic dose of T and stated your FT was really high and it improved the sex drive highly doubtful it would have lasted in the long run.

Every time you increase the dose and drive up FT there will be a mini-honeymoon period where it's common for one to experience an increase in libido and erections, euphoric type feeling due to T levels rising, increased dopamine/AR activity as hormones will be in flux during the weeks leading up until blood levels have stabilized (4-6 weeks TC/TE).

During this transition period (first 4-6 weeks) the body is trying to adjust.

Unfortunately this is short-lived and temporary as once blood levels have stabilized (4-6 weeks TC/TE) the body will eventually adapt (over the next few months) to its new set-point and the increased libido and erections, euphoric type feeling will eventually wane more what we call into the norm.

This mini-honeymoon period is common when starting testosterone therapy or tweaking your protocol (increasing dose of T).

Some may even end up struggling with libido/erectile function in the long-run when running to high a trough/steady-state FT due to hammering the S**T out of dopamine!

Again running too high a trough/steady-state FT can be just as bad in many ways as running too low a FT especially when it comes to libido and erectile function.

For some it can even have a negative effect on mood and sleep as T has a tonic effect on the CNS and can easily make one feel amped up, agitated/irritable.

Many still lack the understanding of how exogenous T works and are caught up on that never-ending merry go round constantly manipulating their protocols and chasing their tails until the cows come home.

Unrealistic expectations when it comes to libidio let alone erectile function.

The sheep stinking up all those so called men's health/HRT forums preaching that more T is better mentality would have you thinking that you should be running around with a raging libido and titanium erections 24/7 to boot!

Again as I have stated numerous times on the forum It's a myth that one needs to have high-end let alone absurdly high FT or DHT levels in order to have a healthy libido or healthy erectile function.

Having healthy levels of FT, DHT and estradiol is what really matters and even then having healthy hormones is only one piece of the puzzle.

Libido and erectile function are complex and multifactorial and there is much more involved than just having healthy hormones.

Seems as though you have a lot more going on here as you have been dealing with a low/no libido for years.

Going back to 2017 when you first started therapy and looking over your numerous threads on the forum over the years it has been a rollercoaster ride for you and unfortunately mostly on the down.
 
Hi all. To raise free T does one have to just take more testosterone. My testosterone levels are in ref range but my free t is low. Always has been even When in 200-300 mg of test a week .I have been on trt for four years trying to increase my Libido and help my ED. After four years I've stopped trt as the free t wasn't increasing. After 10 months off trt my available test, lh and fsh are all good but the freeT still low. Shbg is high and have tried boron but not helping.. I've recently spoke to a doc who's actually said shgb doesn't bond to free t

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Try Boron?
 
Your lab results in post #13 of my reply were on 200 mg TE/week!

If those labs were accurate (?) than your TT and more importantly FT was through the roof.

Even then when you were injecting 300 mg T/week which is not a therapeutic dose of T and stated your FT was really high and it improved the sex drive highly doubtful it would have lasted in the long run.

Every time you increase the dose and drive up FT there will be a mini-honeymoon period where it's common for one to experience an increase in libido and erections, euphoric type feeling due to T levels rising, increased dopamine/AR activity as hormones will be in flux during the weeks leading up until blood levels have stabilized (4-6 weeks TC/TE).

During this transition period (first 4-6 weeks) the body is trying to adjust.

Unfortunately this is short-lived and temporary as once blood levels have stabilized (4-6 weeks TC/TE) the body will eventually adapt (over the next few months) to its new set-point and the increased libido and erections, euphoric type feeling will eventually wane more what we call into the norm.

This mini-honeymoon period is common when starting testosterone therapy or tweaking your protocol (increasing dose of T).

Some may even end up struggling with libido/erectile function in the long-run when running to high a trough/steady-state FT due to hammering the S**T out of dopamine!

Again running too high a trough/steady-state FT can be just as bad in many ways as running too low a FT especially when it comes to libido and erectile function.

For some it can even have a negative effect on mood and sleep as T has a tonic effect on the CNS and can easily make one feel amped up, agitated/irritable.

Many still lack the understanding of how exogenous T works and are caught up on that never-ending merry go round constantly manipulating their protocols and chasing their tails until the cows come home.

Unrealistic expectations when it comes to libidio let alone erectile function.

The sheep stinking up all those so called men's health/HRT forums preaching that more T is better mentality would have you thinking that you should be running around with a raging libido and titanium erections 24/7 to boot!

Again as I have stated numerous times on the forum It's a myth that one needs to have high-end let alone absurdly high FT or DHT levels in order to have a healthy libido or healthy erectile function.

Having healthy levels of FT, DHT and estradiol is what really matters and even then having healthy hormones is only one piece of the puzzle.

Libido and erectile function are complex and multifactorial and there is much more involved than just having healthy hormones.

Seems as though you have a lot more going on here as you have been dealing with a low/no libido for years.

Going back to 2017 when you first started therapy and looking over your numerous threads on the forum over the years it has been a rollercoaster ride for you and unfortunately mostly on the down.
Yes . A downer really . Not good and not one healthcare professional is bothered. I'm a numb emotionalless man existing. I've recently been diagnosed with ADHD. They are going to try me on meds that may boost my dopamine.. something I have said for years is a possible culprit of the libido and low mood
 
I'm a numb emotionalless man existing. I've recently been diagnosed with ADHD.
Have you tried propionate or cream? Long esters contribute to a feeling of emotional flatness or numbness in my experience. Feel much more normal and "like myself" on the faster-acting forms of TRT.
 

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