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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Gman86" data-source="post: 279648" data-attributes="member: 15043">Hormesis is a possible benefit to eating plants, however, consuming plants on a regular basis still might have more negatives than pros, when it comes to our overall health. It still wouldn’t make sense to me to voluntarily consume something that I know has known toxins in it that do damage to our bodies when consumed, no matter how small or large the insult may be. Purposely causing small insults to my body, on a regular basis, does not seem like an appealing/ intelligent approach, if optimal health is the goal. Yes, just like when u eat processed fast food, ur not going to feel any immediate negative effects to ur health. Eating vegetables isn’t going to cause acute, or chronic “toxicity” in most people. Does that mean that consuming plants on a regular basis isn’t contributing to negative health issues? No. They absolutely could still be contributing to negative health issues, even if the person doesn’t associate the vegetables in their diet to these issues. Idk how many times I’ve seen people with chronic digestive issues cut out vegetables, and then report that their digestive issues completely resolved, or improved greatly. And you can check out Jordan Peterson and Mikhaila Peterson’s experiences with plants. They both do full carnivore, I believe, and if they eat something as benign sounding as a salad, they experience the negative health issues that led them to needing to go on the carnivore diet in the first place. Which for both of them was mainly severe depression. Mikhaila Peterson also had very bad chronic joint pain her whole life, until she found the carnivore diet. They are both extreme cases, in regards to how strict they need to eat in order to have a normal quality of life, but they’re still good examples of what foods heal the body, and what foods hurt it. They’re both just extremely sensitive to food, and how it impacts their health/ well being, so they see the effects of food, good or bad, faster than most people, after consuming it On top of plant toxins, u have to consider the anti-nutrients in plants/ legumes/ seeds, nuts and most grains, for some examples. These anti-nutrients can bind to micronutrients, and prevent them from being absorbed in our digestive tract. Then u also have goitrogens to worry about, in certain vegetables. Then u have plant defense chemicals/ toxins like oxalates to worry about, when consuming plants. This is a compound that u definitely want to avoid in moderate to high dosages on a regular basis. Sally K Norton is a great source of info on the dangers of consuming too many oxalates, on a regular basis [MEDIA=youtube]J35ENSaXyGU[/MEDIA]</blockquote>

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